Peyton breaks TD record

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jkleno said:
What are you talking about? Absolutely pure opinion. Please go research Joe Montana's playoff career and Super Bowl stats. Then, please name the HOF WR's Brady has had in his career. A washed up Randy Moss. Brady makes the players around him better than Manning. Just look at this year. Edelman, Dobson, Hopkins, Amendola, Houlemamamam(ha)- he has no one and he still beat Manning.
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Some of your arguments have credibility, but a washed up Randy Moss? No credibility there. Had one of the best years as a receiver ever. I guess in your opinion, all Tom Brady.
 
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jkleno said:
Now that is a GREAT Post- "ONE" of the greatest. That he is. I appreciate Vol fans who are rational as well. You lost me on the last paragraph though. Brady has 3 SB wins and could have easily had a 4th if it wasn't for Tyree.
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Brady missed a season due to injuries and the patriots kept rolling to 11 wins. Peyton missed a season due to injuries and the colts crashed and burned. Just saying.
 
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jkleno said:
It is much more important how you play versus Jacksonville in September than versus the best teams in the playoffs. I guess Ali should have just fought scrubs in his career so he could have been undefeated. Fact is that Brady has owned Manning and has outperformed him against the best teams. Montana is the GOAT-period.
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Yup, and Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino, right?

Football is a TEAM sport. Give Manning all the defenses and coaching that Brady has enjoyed throughout his career and Manning may have more than 4 rings. And if you think Brady is that great, look at how well Cassel played in the same system when Brady got hurt. He isn't doing so well now, is he? Fact is Brady has always had superior TEAMS than Manning. Brady is no doubt a good QB, but comparing them is a little more complex than counting their rings.
 
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Best ever. Denver's secondary cost them the playoff win last year.

I don't understand how people are so quick to point to Super Bowl rings as the mark of greatness. The are many great players on bad teams. The Colts with Peyton was a perpetual 10-win team. Without him: The league's worst team. Colts were 1 player away from being a terrible team.
 
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southgatevol said:
Some of your arguments have credibility, but a washed up Randy Moss? No credibility there. Had one of the best years as a receiver ever. I guess in your opinion, all Tom Brady.
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I believe Randy Moss had 20 TD catches in 2007 which was (and may still be) the all time single season record. Brady also had Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk as weapons and still a very good defense although they were getting a little old - but Bruschi was always one of the best LB's in the league.
 
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This is how IMO he is the best to ever play QB. Put together a Greatest Ever team. I got Peyton handing off to Barry Sanders, and him throwing to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Steve Largent all day long.



 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I believe Randy Moss had 20 TD catches in 2007 which was (and may still be) the all time single season record. Brady also had Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk as weapons and still a very good defense although they were getting a little old - but Bruschi was always one of the best LB's in the league.
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23 TD's- in his 10th year in the league. That just adds to the argument on how good Brady is. Thanks. Look what he can do and I couldn't imagine what he could do if he had talent like that year in and year out.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I believe Randy Moss had 20 TD catches in 2007 which was (and may still be) the all time single season record. Brady also had Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk as weapons and still a very good defense although they were getting a little old - but Bruschi was always one of the best LB's in the league.
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Pretty sure Moss caught 23 of Brady's 50 that year. He was pretty washed up.
 
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I also think no one at this point would argue that he is up there with Elway, Montana, Farve. and Marino
 
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LaserRocketArm said:
Yup, and Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino, right?

Football is a TEAM sport. Give Manning all the defenses and coaching that Brady has enjoyed throughout his career and Manning may have more than 4 rings. And if you think Brady is that great, look at how well Cassel played in the same system when Brady got hurt. He isn't doing so well now, is he? Fact is Brady has always had superior TEAMS than Manning. Brady is no doubt a good QB, but comparing them is a little more complex than counting their rings.
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Blah. Blah. Blah. What is Manning's record versus Brady? You presented ZERO facts man- come on. Playoff record?
Montana's playoff record? Super Bowl 4-0 record- no INT's.
If you want to talk football, please provide facts and not 100% opinions.
 
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Oh, wow, so this has devolved into another Manning vs Brady debate, huh?

Well, then I'll give my take:

I wouldn't call either the greatest of all time. Manning has struggled in the postseason. Brady has struggled in the postseason ever since the Patriots had to stop taping other teams' signs.

Both are great. Peyton is great like Jimi Hendrix was great. He redefines the way his position is played and makes it wholly his own. You take him out of the equation and everything falls apart. Brady is more like Keith Richards. He's a superb craftsman and he may have more hits, but alot of that is what is around him (the head coach, the organization, the defense, etc.).

I am happy Peyton got the record today, simply because I feel he deserves it. If you'll recall the year Tom Brady got the record, it was really just the result of the Patriots runing up the score, being up by 35 points and still throwing bombs to Moss all year long.
 
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jkleno said:
Blah. Blah. Blah. What is Manning's record versus Brady? You presented ZERO facts man- come on. Playoff record?
Montana's playoff record? Super Bowl 4-0 record- no INT's.
If you want to talk football, please provide facts and not 100% opinions.
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Team sport.
 
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jkleno said:
23 TD's- in his 10th year in the league. That just adds to the argument on how good Brady is. Thanks. Look what he can do and I couldn't imagine what he could do if he had talent like that year in and year out.
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Manning has had plenty of experience turning average WRs into pro bowlers.

As for his playoff record, this is a little old but it's still a good analysis of the choke myth...

The Myth of Peyton Manning's Postseason Chokes Exposed as Fiction | Bleacher Report
 
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jkleno said:
Blah. Blah. Blah. What is Manning's record versus Brady? You presented ZERO facts man- come on. Playoff record?
Montana's playoff record? Super Bowl 4-0 record- no INT's.
If you want to talk football, please provide facts and not 100% opinions.
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Fact: football is not a one-on-one sport. Amazing!!!
 
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oregonvol said:
Oh, wow, so this has devolved into another Manning vs Brady debate, huh?

Well, then I'll give my take:

I wouldn't call either the greatest of all time. Manning has struggled in the postseason. Brady has struggled in the postseason ever since the Patriots had to stop taping other teams' signs.

Both are great. Peyton is great like Jimi Hendrix was great. He redefines the way his position is played and makes it wholly his own. You take him out of the equation and everything falls apart. Brady is more like Keith Richards. He's a superb craftsman and he may have more hits, but alot of that is what is around him (the head coach, the organization, the defense, etc.).

I am happy Peyton got the record today, simply because I feel he deserves it. If you'll recall the year Tom Brady got the record, it was really just the result of the Patriots runing up the score, being up by 35 points and still throwing bombs to Moss all year long.
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You must have not seen Manning's game today. Up by 17 with 4 minutes left and threw another TD.
 
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HuntsVol_AL said:
Fact: football is not a one-on-one sport. Amazing!!!
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This has been a GOAT topic. You have to provide stats and records versus the best teams in the playoffs. Montana is the GOAT. Research his performance in the playoffs and Super Bowls, then get back to me.
 
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jkleno said:
This has been a GOAT topic. You have to provide stats and records versus the best teams in the playoffs. Montana is the GOAT. Research his performance in the playoffs and Super Bowls, then get back to me.
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His stats are also influenced by the entire offense. It's not just his singular performance that influences his statlines. Fact.
 
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Unfortunately this is a true statement. I hope the Broncs win the SB this year to further establish Peyton's legacy as the most talented ever, but you're right he will never be regarded as the best ever, due to losing too often in the biggest games.
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Yeah to bad there just isn't 4 regular season games then the playoffs for him to wash away his accomplishments because playoffs only matter. Then he could have set all these records in the playoffs and it would actually matter.

Manning has won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. But he must play in 8 of them apparently for his achievements on the field to matter.
 
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jkleno said:
This has been a GOAT topic. You have to provide stats and records versus the best teams in the playoffs. Montana is the GOAT. Research his performance in the playoffs and Super Bowls, then get back to me.[/

With apologies to Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, and Fox, I don't think they come close to being the coach Bill Walsh was during Montana's years. He was an offensive innovator. Montana was great but that system definitely aided in his success. Throwing to Roger Craig and Jerry Rice probably didn't hurt his ability to win either.
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jkleno said:
Now that is a GREAT Post- "ONE" of the greatest. That he is. I appreciate Vol fans who are rational as well. You lost me on the last paragraph though. Brady has 3 SB wins and could have easily had a 4th if it wasn't for Tyree.
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My point is that Manning and Brady performed virtually identically, both had home field advantage and both lost to the same team and both threw INTs at the end.

One gets called a choker for the performance and one doesn't.

The point? It's selective perception.

Also if you are going to play the "if" game then Brady only has 2 if the tuck rule BS (where the great Tom Brady fumbled) was legit. Or if his kicker doesn't kick out of his mind clutch…See?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Pretty sure Moss caught 23 of Brady's 50 that year. He was pretty washed up.
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He also was second in the league in yards...I wish my falcons had some more washed up WR .... Oh and the majority of those yards and touchdowns were jump balls yet again showing moss was not washed up
 
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