Phil Just Got Served?

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lawgator1 said:
Well, that's the doomsday scenario. I don't have any particular reason to think that's true, other than the speculation of others who have posted in this thread.

The original situation is one that I don't know much about. Seemed like other folks thought that Fulmer might have been the "rat" on the 'bama program and that he got something in return. Now, it may well be that he did it for competitive reasons. Its just that some on here seem to think he was traded immunity of some sort.

I repeat that I dunno.'

As I say, the other scenario that comes to mind is that this plaintiff wants to show that Fulmer did not tell the NCAA what the NCAA claims he told them. I can't say that the NCAA does it this way, but having worked on cases generally involving enforcement actions of one kind or another there would probably be a huge paper trail regarding statements made by sources.

So, for example, the NCAA might be defending the lawsuit against it by saying, hey, our notes show that CPF told us the following..... Plaintiff might want to depose CPF to see if he really did say those things.

It does mean that he would be exposed as the source of something. But it might be minor, you just don't know. Some people (hat, in particular) would be put off by that, not that he needs another reason to dislike Fulmer.

Honestly, even for me as a rival fan, I wouldn't be much impressed by new allegations of cheating that are going back 5, 6, 7 or more years. It would suck to weather that storm, and I suppose it could have some effects on recruiting, but I just think people wouldn't be all that swept up in it.

The one exception would be that story that Fulmer arranged a $50k credit line for a player. Someone posted that earlier. Now, if that happened, he'd have some 'splainin to do. My guess is that the university wouldn't wait for the fallout on something like that and the Fulmer era would be over. But gosh how do you keep something like that from being other than rumor for 6 years? Can't see it as likely. Its a far fetched scenario, in my eyes.

Truth is -- and I am no fan of Fulmer -- I'd say odds are that today's story on service of process is about 5 x worse than what actually comes of it.
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Thank you for shedding some intelligent insight on this mess.
 
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swampvol said:
Thank you for shedding some intelligent insight on this mess.
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Surely you jest? LG may be intelligent (although he is a gator fan and that's makes me wonder :p) but wouldn't quite say he gave you any insight on the matter. Well maybe his insight....
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, that's the doomsday scenario. I don't have any particular reason to think that's true, other than the speculation of others who have posted in this thread.

The original situation is one that I don't know much about. Seemed like other folks thought that Fulmer might have been the "rat" on the 'bama program and that he got something in return. Now, it may well be that he did it for competitive reasons. Its just that some on here seem to think he was traded immunity of some sort.

I repeat that I dunno.'

As I say, the other scenario that comes to mind is that this plaintiff wants to show that Fulmer did not tell the NCAA what the NCAA claims he told them. I can't say that the NCAA does it this way, but having worked on cases generally involving enforcement actions of one kind or another there would probably be a huge paper trail regarding statements made by sources.

So, for example, the NCAA might be defending the lawsuit against it by saying, hey, our notes show that CPF told us the following..... Plaintiff might want to depose CPF to see if he really did say those things.

It does mean that he would be exposed as the source of something. But it might be minor, you just don't know. Some people (hat, in particular) would be put off by that, not that he needs another reason to dislike Fulmer.

Honestly, even for me as a rival fan, I wouldn't be much impressed by new allegations of cheating that are going back 5, 6, 7 or more years. It would suck to weather that storm, and I suppose it could have some effects on recruiting, but I just think people wouldn't be all that swept up in it.

The one exception would be that story that Fulmer arranged a $50k credit line for a player. Someone posted that earlier. Now, if that happened, he'd have some 'splainin to do. My guess is that the university wouldn't wait for the fallout on something like that and the Fulmer era would be over. But gosh how do you keep something like that from being other than rumor for 6 years? Can't see it as likely. Its a far fetched scenario, in my eyes.

Truth is -- and I am no fan of Fulmer -- I'd say odds are that today's story on service of process is about 5 x worse than what actually comes of it.
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Are you sure that you're a Gator? Thanks for posting some sensible explanations. Law is, obviously, not my forte.

All in all, this seems to me nothing more than yet another instance of Bama trying to make headlines when their football team cannot.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Are you sure that you're a Gator? Thanks for posting some sensible explanations. Law is, obviously, not my forte.

All in all, this seems to me nothing more than yet another instance of Bama trying to make headlines when their football team cannot.
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I agree, but at what point does it backfire on them? Sooner or later people are just going to dismiss it as sour grapes unless something new and earth shattering comes from all of this.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I agree, but at what point does it backfire on them? Sooner or later people are just going to dismiss it as sour grapes unless something new and earth shattering xomes from all of this.
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Agreed. Barring some crazy turn of events, which even the die-hardest Fulmer-haters couldn't see coming, this will do nothing but continue to solidify the rest of the country's opinion of Alabama.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I agree, but at what point does it backfire on them? Sooner or later people are just going to dismiss it as sour grapes unless something new and earth shattering comes from all of this.
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Exactly.

In the end, bama will be the ones reaping what they sow.
 
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The biggest thing that comes from this in the end is that Bama still hasn't let it go. Alot of their fans even agree that the timing of the subpoena was classless as well as the deposition date.

The most frustrating thing for me is that I don't even know what the hell is going on. Some people are making it out like CPF may be in some hot water. Others are saying he is simply going to testify in a case where Wendell Smith is out to get the NCAA for defamation.
 
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hvwarrior58 said:
The biggest thing that comes from this in the end is that Bama still hasn't let it go. Alot of their fans even agree that the timing of the subpoena was classless as well as the deposition date.

The most frustrating thing for me is that I don't even know what the hell is going on. Some people are making it out like CPF may be in some hot water. Others are saying he is simply going to testify in a case where Wendell Smith is out to get the NCAA for defamation.
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They could both be true. The second point you make is the basic point...the problem is that Fulmer *could* have to reveal something that he doesn't want to as part of his deposition in the Smith case.
 
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Say what you will about Phillip, but he is a "class guy." I have no reservations about him being in any sort of "hot water." I'm pretty confident that, in the end, Bama will still look like the backwards bunch of inbreds that they are. Sketchy lawyers should stick to chasing ambulances, hiring chiropractors, and paying recruits.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Say what you will about Phillip, but he is a "class guy." I have no reservations about him being in any sort of "hot water." I'm pretty confident that, in the end, Bama will still look like the backwards bunch of inbreds that they are. Sketchy lawyers should stick to chasing ambulances, hiring chiropractors, and paying recruits.
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Sounds good to me....
 
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hvwarrior58 said:
The biggest thing that comes from this in the end is that Bama still hasn't let it go.
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I believe Bama let this go a while back. I'm sure last year's beatdown was closure enough if they hadn't. This subpoena has nothing to do with the university, coaches, AD, ect. It's a dissasociated booster.
 
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Really? I'm pretty sure I hear all this crap all the time from Bammers on other boards and that, the second this was brought up, alot of them were right back in that same "kill Phil" mode. Either way, this just strengthens the perception that they haven't let it go.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I believe Bama let this go a while back. I'm sure last year's beatdown was closure enough if they hadn't. This subpoena has nothing to do with the university, coaches, AD, ect. It's a dissasociated booster.
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I think it's more of a "perception vs. reality" thing at this point. Even if it's only him, it's more of how it's viewed elsewhere.
 
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hvwarrior58 said:
Really? I'm pretty sure I hear all this crap all the time from Bammers on other boards and that, the second this was brought up, alot of them were right back in that same "kill Phil" mode. Either way, this just strengthens the perception that they haven't let it go.
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Outside of a few forum trolls, every bama fan I've read on a forum, heard on a radio, or talked to in person has said this subpoena business is stupid and they wish it would just go away.
 
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The fact is that there are still those trolls lurking and this only makes them crazier. As stated above, this is more of a perception vs. reality deal. It really looks bad for Bama that the subpoena was given during SEC media days and that the deposition date was set 2 days before a big game that is going to be taken place in Alabama.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I believe Bama let this go a while back. I'm sure last year's beatdown was closure enough if they hadn't. This subpoena has nothing to do with the university, coaches, AD, ect. It's a dissasociated booster.
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This is very true of all BAMA fans I know, including myself. We were just as shocked as Vols fans and do not feel this was the right time or venue. We had rather focus on the 2008 season and forget this mess, although I'll be the first to admit, I don't know what to expect this season.

Good luck against UCLA. That is one game I hope to see you win.
 
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GOBAMAGO!! said:
This is very true of all BAMA fans I know, including myself. We were just as shocked as Vols fans and do not feel this was the right time or venue. We had rather focus on the 2008 season and forget this mess, although I'll be the first to admit, I don't know what to expect this season.

Good luck against UCLA. That is one game I hope to see you win.
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How bout the Tiger/War Eagle game? :cool2:
 
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