Pig Howard update per CBJ:

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vollygirl said:
Your position is that Pig doesn't deserve a spot above another receiver?
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Yes. He forfeited his "position" with his behavior that led to him being dismissed from the team. He pretty much just quit on the team. Didn't show up for classes or workouts. Just went AWOL for awhile.

Think it was Hubbs who recently said that he was convinced as late as the end of April that Pig would not rejoin the team because he was still resisting the conditions for his return set forth by the coaches and Players Council.

Now, he was given a second chance and something evidently clicked with him after they finally talked him into taking classes for the mini-term in May. Butch recently said that Pig has been doing great this summer and is doing everything right, is completing all the steps/terms for his return....he even seemed to "slip up" when he said at Media Days that Pig is back on the team (Hubbs said Wednesday that just a few hours earlier in the day Tues that CBJ was still saying that Pig was working toward rejoining the team).

All that is great IMO. I'm happy for both Pig and the team. But the reason I think he MUST start at the bottom of the depth chart is because of principle. A player just can't be allowed to quit on his team and then jump back into "his same spot" once he is allowed back on the team....I think that would send a horrible message to the team, to the guys who have been there since day 1 in January, working their tails off for the good of the family, for the growth of the program.

The other factor at play, which Hubbs addressed, is the dramatic change in talent, at the slot position. Not only SHOULD Pig have to start at the bottom and earn his way up, I think he's gonna have a very difficult time supplanting some other players who have gone through Spring and are just as if not more talented.
 
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TheGoodStuff said:
Setting aside his "issues",which he apparently has worked through, you think a few players sit ahead of him at slot soley based upon ability/talent/experiance?
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can't set aside the issues. Issues encompass a couple things.

off field activities that have to be corrected

Once the above happens. typically coaches will start you at the bottom until you prove that your attitude and work ethic measures up to your talent/ability/ experience.

after proving he has made the effort and work ethic to correct off field it will take time to prove same on the field. He is definitely not out of the woods yet.

its not just coaches he has to prove this to but his team mates also
 
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TheGoodStuff said:
Setting aside his "issues",which he apparently has worked through, you think a few players sit ahead of him at slot soley based upon ability/talent/experiance?
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I agree with another poster, he is the issues. You can't take away a part of him. He must earn back his place if he can. He has tougher talent ahead of him bc we have recruited better players than in the recent past. I hope he is on the bottom and let him earn his way back on the field.
 
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Wow. If that's the case, it's the first time I've felt Jones flat out lied. Disappointing.
 
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VolFanInHawaii said:
I don't know man, Josh Smith was brutally bad with drops last year, Pig would have had to really stagnated and Smith would have made up a lot of ground for their spots on the depth chart to switch. I mean if I'm Butch, I keep Pig in the slot just because Pig provides the always popular jet sweep option, do anything you can to keep defenses guessing.
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The Pig/jet sweep which typically leads to 2nd or 3rd and very long? I know Smith's hands absolutely sucked last year, but I keep hearing his name brought up as being very talented and doing very well. Last year, Pig was one of the primary playmakers on the team and quite honestly, it was kinda like being the smartest kid in summer school. This year we have many more guys that have the potential to actually bust a big play....something Pig has never really done. I don't mean to come off as slamming Pig because I do believe he can make contributions to the offense, but I think he's gonna find it much more difficult to get on the field than he did last year.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Lied how? You have a quote?
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No, and I've been looking. I know I read it in more than one place, though.

That he was back on the team. Had done more to change his body makeup than anybody else. And that he was very proud of him. I read it as a done deal, that everything he needed to do had been done, and that he was set to go.
 
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vollygirl said:
Wow. If that's the case, it's the first time I've felt Jones flat out lied. Disappointing.
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I am confused, Heather? Because you are allowed back does not mean that he is given back his old spot. A lot has happened since his departure and return from/ to the team.
 
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vollygirl said:
No, and I've been looking. I know I read it in more than one place, though.

That he was back on the team. Had done more to change his body makeup than anybody else. And that he was very proud of him. I read it as a done deal, that everything he needed to do had been done, and that he was set to go.
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Does not mean he gets to come back in as a starter. He gets to come back on the team. I'm still confused where the lie is.
 
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vollygirl said:
No, and I've been looking. I know I read it in more than one place, though.

That he was back on the team. Had done more to change his body makeup than anybody else. And that he was very proud of him. I read it as a done deal, that everything he needed to do had been done, and that he was set to go.
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I have heard similar things from Butch, but never anything about him having a starting spot in the lineup.

Being back on the team and in the starting lineup are 2 completely separate things.

And I agree with how Butch is handling it. Accountability and consequences are things that all of our youth need to learn.

IMO this is a big reason Dooley failed with Bray and Da'Rick - no accountability and special treatment for "star players".
 
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ajvol01 said:
I have heard similar things from Butch, but never anything about him having a starting spot in the lineup.

Being back on the team and in the starting lineup are 2 completely separate things.

And I agree with how Butch is handling it. Accountability and consequences are things that all of our youth need to learn.

IMO this is a big reason Dooley failed with Bray and Da'Rick - no accountability and special treatment for "star players".
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I tend to agree. After all thats gone on and the time missed, I think Pig still has a lot to do to earn a starting spot.
 
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vollygirl said:
Wow. If that's the case, it's the first time I've felt Jones flat out lied. Disappointing.
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If you're referring to Jones saying Pig was back on the team during his podium time at Media Days on Tuesday, it is definitely true. Heard it myself. However, I don't think he was lying at all. Think he might've just let it slip, maybe just got ahead of himself. Hubbs did say on 104.5 yesterday when asked about it that "it depends on what time of day you spoke to Jones as to whether Pig was back on the team" because he only said he was still working towards reinstatement earlier in the day.
 
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smokey0625 said:
I just want to know where he lied. Just because you call someone a ba (which I am) does not mean that you answered my question.
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Yeah, I apologize for that. I don't know you well enough to do that. (Spoke to you like you were a buddy and we were talking. Sorry.)
 
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ajvol01 said:
I have heard similar things from Butch, but never anything about him having a starting spot in the lineup.

Being back on the team and in the starting lineup are 2 completely separate things.

And I agree with how Butch is handling it. Accountability and consequences are things that all of our youth need to learn.

IMO this is a big reason Dooley failed with Bray and Da'Rick - no accountability and special treatment for "star players".
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Maybe I just read the comments wrong. I thought he was implying that Pig had done everything he needed to do to get back to where he was, and then some. And that he had excelled beyond coach's expectations. I guess I interpreted the statements wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
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vollygirl said:
Maybe I just read the comments wrong. I thought he was implying that Pig had done everything he needed to do to get back to where he was, and then some. And that he had excelled beyond coach's expectations. I guess I interpreted the statements wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
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It happens to the best of us :)
 
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