Players can Unionize!!!

#253
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Burger said:
There are 205 d-1 colleges losing money from athletics. How will this work?
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there are two things here.

1. how much do they make from the school? the schools can find a way to nip/tuck their budgets and find some money. it just won't be a heck of a lot.

2. can they make money from sources other than the school? if they can, welcome to the wild, wild west.
 
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99gator said:
there are two things here.

1. how much do they make from the school? the schools can find a way to nip/tuck their budgets and find some money. it just won't be a heck of a lot.

2. can they make money from sources other than the school? if they can, welcome to the wild, wild west.
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Those little departments don't want to deal with massive penny pinching from everywhere else, they would rather close up shop in football. It's not thesible to pay d-1 athletes at all.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not going to embarass you any further since there are people in this thread who are capable of intelligent conversation on a serious subject I'm really interested in, and there will be many more threads for you to show your ignorance. The fact that you're trying so hard says all that needs to be said.
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Lol...you jelly?
 
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#256
Say that I'm an agent for a second and my client was the suspected #1 draft choice in the NFL draft

Since I can now pay him, being a 3rd party, I slip him some dollars and tell him to lay down so as to not hurt my cash cow when it comes to the NFL.

Now, I'm an agent with a gambling problem and I owe debt to a shady character that goes by the name of "Tommy Thumbs". Now, I start paying the player to shave points or to do other things to throw games. You know, money talks and BS walks.

You start throwing money out to these kids that have never had anything, its going to start a cycle of cheating that would make SMU look like baby crap.

You thought the NCAA exploited these kids. You haven't seen **** yet.
 
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Burger said:
You'd just get told no. Unions don't do anything but ***** and collect money. Also, they exploit those that work for them.
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I want you to remember this the next holiday you have off work, the next time you get paid overtime, and the next weekend you have off.

I could go on.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I want you to remember this the next holiday you have off work, the next time you get paid overtime, and the next weekend you have off.

I could go on.
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Horse-drawn carriages did an admirable job of getting people from place to place for several centuries. But I'll stick with my car.
 
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utvolpj said:
you could go on but please try and make it relevant to the unions of today
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My dad paid Union dues every day for 11 years. He had no choice really. It was pay or you didn't work. Extortion by the Unions. This was before Tn was a right to work State

11 years of Union dues got him laid off and looking for work. The union had milked ICG and the workers and left before the dust settled
 
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thing is most of these kids come from a background where they can't grasp the real value of the education/benefits they are receiving. Once they are slapped in the face with the cost associated with being employees I think many would change their tune. Of course then it will likely be way too late to backtrack

changes can definitely be made but the players/coaches/schools/conf have a chance to do this without adding an unnecessary complexity to the situation
 
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utvolpj said:
thing is most of these kids come from a background where they can't grasp the real value of the education/benefits they are receiving. Once they are slapped in the face with the cost associated with being employees I think many would change their tune. Of course then it will likely be way too late to backtrack

changes can definitely be made but the players/coaches/schools/conf have a chance to do this without adding an unnecessary complexity to the situation
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I just don't think the NCAA and Universities could do enough to appease the hunger for money

Look at major sports like NFL, MLB, NBA and NFL. How many labor disputes have we seen from them over the years and these guys are making millions a year?

Heck, Terrell Owens said he couldn't afford to feed his family with the millions he made every year. Talk about out of touch
 
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#269
I'll thank labor laws for the work conditions today... Did Unions help get those? Yep.

But idk about ya'll.. but once my mechanic fixes my car, I don't keep paying him after it's fixed.
 
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Also, listening to the lawyer and the kid spearheading this... They're claiming some of their major concerns are
1. "compensation after their playing days if they face career ending injuries"
2. they think it's unfair they have to sit out a year if they transfer schools.

well,
1. you get an education to compensate you after football, since only about 1.7% of college football players go pro, that should be the main focus.

2. I agree that in some situations that is unfair, but it's about the only way to keep from coaches poaching players from other teams... so pick your poison.


Also: The kid spearheading this campaign is a psychology major... if you're that worried about your future compensation, don't pick a joke of a major...
 
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As a once practitioner and current dabbler in labor law, I can tell you that nobody pays much attention to NLRB decisions as far as precedence value. The board is nothing but political appointees and they regularly do 180 degree reversals every time the presidency swings from one party to another. Districts and circuits regularly split on these issues and sometimes the supreme court won't even bother to grant certiorari to clarify the law of the land. A few years ago the NLRB found that state government attorneys could seek recognition as a bargaining unit despite professional employees being outside the NLRA. That didn't stand for long and I doubt that this will ether.
 
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zjcvols said:
Chris Mannix on the Dan Patrick Show said the NCAA is making 10.8 BILLION from the NCAA Tourney and 7.3 BILLION from the college football playoff/bowl system.

And they can't give some of that to players somehow, someway because............?
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How about the players that make it to the NBA be forced to pay a potion of their millions back to the NCAA, since it was the NCAA that allowed them to showcase their talents on TV and get noticed by NBA scouts, etc. Seems fair, doesn't?

See, it works both ways and is a very slippery slope.
 
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Here is my question if no else does this does this mean northwestern would get better players.... if everyone does this wouldn't it make kids free agents kinda
 
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utvolpj said:
thing is most of these kids come from a background where they can't grasp the real value of the education/benefits they are receiving. Once they are slapped in the face with the cost associated with being employees I think many would change their tune. Of course then it will likely be way too late to backtrack

changes can definitely be made but the players/coaches/schools/conf have a chance to do this without adding an unnecessary complexity to the situation
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It's very short-sighted, and like you hinted, the benefits they receive go well beyond education and room/board, etc. If you start to throw in instructional benefits (i.e. coaching), weight-lifting, nutrition, etc. that number may be upwards of $100,000 a year per player.
 
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99gator said:
yes, but......

1. they aren't making a lot of money. it depends on how you want to think about it. there are a lot of football programs that make money. there are men's basketball programs that make money. the athletic programs of many schools do not make money.

2. tying in with #1, this is one of the reasons colleges have been reluctant to give athletes money in the first place. because it's not a business. what they do for the men, they must do for the women due to title IX. they can't treat the football players differently. college athletics is a robbing peter to pay paul enterprise. the money made from football pays for the track and field, soccer, volleyball, and name your other athletic program here.

3. as i have said numerous times, there aren't a whole bunch of stockholders or a greedy owner on the other end of this deal walking away with a whole bunch of money. yes, there are paid employees of the athletic department making very nice salaries. but, there is no jerry jones here.

4. along the lines of #3, greed has not been the main motivation of these schools, contrary to popular opinion. if you don't believe that, follow the money. where is the money going? for most schools, every last penny is funding the rest of the athletic department. some schools like florida have enough cash left over that money is given to the school library or something of that sort. but again, it ain't like the school president is pocketing the cash for himself. the rules are in place to try to create some level of fairness, because everyone damn well knows, some schools have deeper pockets than others. the ncaa did not want a system where the school with alumni that make your autograph the most valuable wins.

part of the problem is that many people look at the exception to the rule and not the rule. florida, ohio state, texas, tennessee, lsu, etc, etc, etc are the exception not the rule.

north dakota state, middle tennessee state, long beach state, are the rule.

if you don't believe that this was reported from an article in 2013

USA Today reported that just 23 of 228 Division I athletics departments in their analysis of athletic department revenue and spending were reporting a profit without requiring institutional subsidies. Only seven institutions reported no subsidy from their universities (though Michigan's reported subsidy is attributed to work-study programs and the cost of an academic services director's salary).

so people, will discover there ain't a hell of a lot of gold at the end of this rainbow real quick unless.....football and men's basketball are treated separately. in that case, the effect on non-revenue sports will be devastating.
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Fantastic post.
 
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