Please Holly...Resign Or Retire

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UCMiami said:
I think Becky wants to be a trail blazer on the men's side so she is not likely leaving soon. GG is a decent coach, but after the TX debacle, I am not sure she is a wise move into a culturally foreign area of the country which I think is what happened in TX and could happen in TN.

I think you look at some of the mid-major coaches that are doing well. They are having good success with second rate players because they know how to get them playing as a team on offense and defense. Banghart at Princeton is someone I think will get snapped up by a P5 soon, and there are a number of other mid-major teams Fabbri at Quinnipiac maybe? And there are a few assistants that are probably ready - Ivy at ND being one that everyone seems to mention. Ralph or Moseley at Uconn, but not sure they would jump to TN or that TN would welcome them.
I just think the idea of looking at Walz or any of the folks that have built programs at schools that are supporting them would leave to take over someone else program. Kim - not leaving Baylor, Brenda - not leaving MD. And the ones that aren't well established at P5s are mostly too new to their positions to jump or would be retreads with mediocre records. TN is not a magic bullet for a coach that will transform them - better to find the next Pat or Geno, with less experience but passion and a vision, and a student of the game.
Or even go down a division or two and try to find the next Scott Rueck like Oregon State did. I was really impressed with Steve Gomez and Lubbock Christian when they played Uconn in preseason last year - smart guy with an incredibly loyal fan following and good success on the court - D2 but took a trouncing by uconn and used it to win the D2 title at 35-0 in their first season of eligibility for the D2 NCAA.
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As I said in another thread, I also think that Scott Rueck would be well worth a shot. I realize that there would be a glamor deficit and most folks would see him as anything but a home run hire, but he is a terrific coach who in July, 2010, took over a program that was in shambles (almost all of the scholarship players had transferred the year before he took over) and took it to the final four five years later. And this year's team looks very strong once again despite losing two of last year's stars. Rueck also coached George Fox College to the Division III title in 2009. And he has done this without a single 5-star recruit.
 
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charlie_1 said:
I think Mulkey is a great recruiter (but then again, she is in TX). However, she is not a very good coach. We don't need a great recruiter because our reputation is still enough to draw top talent. I believe the next great coach (is) will be Scott Rueck...He has done a lot with very little talent and understands how to coach, has exceptional knowledge of the game and commands respect from his team. He is new enough to OS that he may not feel a strong commitment .... and coming here will (may) be viewed as a major jump because of the talent, desire for talent to always play here and reputation of this wbb program.
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Mulkey not a very good coach? She's one of the very best.
 
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alexvol said:
Lets clear this up .Recruits who signed with UT and if they choose not to come to Tennessee if Holly were not the Coach next year ,they would have to sit out a year if they sign with a Division 1 program like UConn or anyone else.They could transfer to a Junior College or a lower Division team and play immediately .I suspect that all of those signed would end up at Tennessee if Holly was not available to Coach next year for any reason ....illness ,retirement,firing ,etc.
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Thanks for the information! I had heard somewhere that if a Head Coach leaves a program incoming recruits that have not yet played can go elsewhere without sitting out a year.
 
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UT may not want the program to be any more than it is despite the fan's unrest. We cannot imagine not wanting to be the best. But with every passing day with Holly as coach it appears they have an ulterior motive for leaving her in place.
 
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The programs like Maryland, Louisville Baylor etc... why in the hell would they leave programs the built to get at to then try to rebuild this, Lets be clear if they fire holly and bring someone on it will be someone like holly and not a good recruiter
 
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Vols4us said:
UT may not want the program to be any more than it is despite the fan's unrest. We cannot imagine not wanting to be the best. But with every passing day with Holly as coach it appears they have an ulterior motive for leaving her in place.
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I don't think there is an ulterior motive at all. People need t step back from the impassioned fan perspective of "WE SHOULD BE WINNING THE NC WITH ALL OUR TALENT" and think about how the UT program would look firing Holly with a 73% winning record; 2 great 8 appearances; and a couple of SEC titles and a number one recruiting class coming in; with the background accusations that the UTAD is a hostile environment for women.

I know fans need to vent but Holly's recruiting class and past success has just about guaranteed her 2 years. If the program is still struggling by the time her incoming class are sophomores, then the pressure on her would reach the breaking point.

If the LVs missed the NCAA tournament, that could be a big enough shock wave to motivate a coaching change but in the end, the LVs are likely to win enough games to get a bid and will probably be able to make it the sweet 16.
 
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RPAV said:
She has fire and energy and no doubt works hard but she does not connect with players and they are clueless on the floor. With next year recruiting class there are several big names coaches who would come here.
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Fire and energy? Not two words I would have chosen to associate with CHW
 
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orangealways said:
How far will it be allowed to fall before the administration says enough!! Good grief hire the new AD already so we can get a competent coach w some fire in her belly and is competent !!
There are plenty of LVFL we could get !
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I know nothing but if I were to give my best guess on this situation, it would be that (1) This upcoming, so called, # 1 recruiting class is to be here in September will buy Holly some time. (2) Next season will be worse than this season BUT fans will make the excuse HER TEAM IS FULL OF FRESHMEN, so give her a chance to coach them up. This will allow her to complete next season.
(3) More than likely, she will be gone after we miss the NCAA in the winter of 2018...........
I give her about 15 more months from now and then she will be gone.......
 
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If CHW is fired, you could put Law in on an interim basis while looking for a new coach.
 
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ladyvosl23 said:
The programs like Maryland, Louisville Baylor etc... why in the hell would they leave programs the built to get at to then try to rebuild this, Lets be clear if they fire holly and bring someone on it will be someone like holly and not a good recruiter
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This is not a rebuilding job. It's built. You have several McDonalds AA and the #1 class coming in. The pieces are in place, we just need someone that knows how to coach
 
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Had an epiphany while reading about another blown game by the LV's. The school should commission Madame Tussauds, or a similar outfit, to craft a wax Pat Summitt giving "the Stare". Make this wax statue our new HC. Instant improvement as the fear is put back into all slackers.
 
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sport3500 said:
If CHW is fired, you could put Law in on an interim basis while looking for a new coach.
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I think Law would get a lot out of this bunch as well! Law is a fiery coach but as an assistant she can only do so much, many of the 2018 class are coming because of the tradition and Coach Law was their lead recruiter.....but Holly wont be let go in season
 
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mlindsay said:
I think Law would get a lot out of this bunch as well! Law is a fiery coach but as an assistant she can only do so much, many of the 2018 class are coming because of the tradition and Coach Law was their lead recruiter.....but Holly wont be let go in season
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You mean coach law you lost her own job before
 
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Dudleys87 said:
With the shipwreck that happening in front of our eyes is it possible that even Blackburn said: "thanks but no thanks"?

Butch: coaching for his job likely out after nxt season
Barnes: Players played balls out against Carolina but sense have been erratic
Warlick: Was handpicked and has sense taken a nose dive to new depths of frustration.
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*since X 2
 
#95
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Holly is NOT going to be fired anytime soon.

You can keep posting the Faar Holly threads all you want, but you are wasting your time. Holly will be the coach next season for sure.
 
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mlindsay said:
I think Law would get a lot out of this bunch as well! Law is a fiery coach but as an assistant she can only do so much, many of the 2018 class are coming because of the tradition and Coach Law was their lead recruiter.....but Holly wont be let go in season
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Sadly to say but out of season either!!!
 
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ladyvosl23 said:
You mean coach law you lost her own job before
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Did she have the same resources at Illinois that she has at UT! I will list;

Matee Ajavon, Cappie Pondextor, Essence Carson, Epiphany Prince are all guards who were recruited by Coach law at Rutgers and all that she was responsible for coaching an all are WNBA players, what guards have Holly coached that are in the league? (Was Holly responsible for Simmons or Lawson?), every young lady who has committed in the 2017 class list (as well as Holly) how Coach Law was their lead recruiter she is also responsible for Diamond's turnaround last season, but hey keep your love for Holly going, she can't coach and its simple
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Holly is NOT going to be fired anytime soon.

You can keep posting the Faar Holly threads all you want, but you are wasting your time. Holly will be the coach next season for sure.
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Some of us already know that, and realize that Tennessee will never be a top team again with Holly at the helm no matter who she recruits.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Holly is NOT going to be fired anytime soon.

You can keep posting the Faar Holly threads all you want, but you are wasting your time. Holly will be the coach next season for sure.
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Sad but true, certainly nothing to be proud of. The only way this program will have a chance of turning around is if Holly faces reality and see that she just can't get the job done. The seats will become empty and fans will fade away but Holly will remain on top of the dumpster fire, still saying,"I don't know how to change things." It is just sad to see a once proud program go up in smoke."Thanks Pat for all the great memories!!!"
 
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Amb3096 said:
Some of us already know that, and realize that Tennessee will never be a top team again with Holly at the helm no matter who she recruits.
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I disagree. HW can head a successful program, but that program has to have the right mix of coaches and staff in her stable.

Right now she has players she admittedly can not read....,As a boss, if my employees can't do a particular something I find someone who wants to and can.

Somebody on that staff has to be able to pull the type of players that played against Stanford, into more than just one game.
 
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