Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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BeardedVol said:
I've referenced Wisconsin self-defense laws, they actually aren't that narrow, just relatively specific as most self-defense laws are, and they did have a clue what happened as more than just those two people were chasing him and yelling about him shooting someone, not to mention the report of five 5.56 shots being discharged inside a hundred yards.

I find it interesting, that you seem to be willing to go to bat for Rittenhouse, and believe without question that he thought he was defending his life in shooting Rosenbaum in an act of clear cut self-defense, even though he was unarmed, didn't fire the shot that Rittenhouse heard, and didn't even connect with the laughably thrown plastic bag, but can't fathom that Grosskreutz and Huber could have believed that they were acting in defense of those around them by trying to disarm Rittenhouse, who'd just shot someone 5 times.

Some of you guys seem to be completely incapable of even trying to look at this scenario from even a minimal position of objectivity.
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When they attacked him he wasn't targeting anyone. Had lefty been so scared he should have pulled his illegal firearm earlier. They both took a chance and paid dearly. Oops. Had they let him run past there would have only been one person shot that night

I also find it humorous you believe any of them could look at his rifle and match the sound from minutes earlier. These people are idiots
 
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utvolpj said:
When they attacked him he wasn't targeting anyone. Had lefty been so scared he should have pulled his illegal firearm earlier. They both took a chance and paid dearly. Oops. Had they let him run past there would have only been one person shot that night

I also find it humorous you believe any of them could look at his rifle and match the sound from minutes earlier. These people are idiots
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Try to maintain some objectivity hearing 5 shots ring out, followed by a guy running with a AR, and people yelling "he just shot someone". There's enough reasonable belief to fear that he is going to open fire on someone else, given the information they had at hand. I'm not saying that is where the DA is going to go with that, but it's very plausible that they were acting under the auspice that Rittenhouse had shot someone and was a danger to everyone around him, and needed to be disarmed.

I know you want to believe that Rittenhouse is 100% in the right, and everyone else involved is 100% in the wrong, but it's not that sort of scenario.
 
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utvolpj said:
The guy chasing him down and in earlier videos acting like a lunatic? Yeah, gonna need a source on that
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utvolpj said:
When they attacked him he wasn't targeting anyone. Had lefty been so scared he should have pulled his illegal firearm earlier. They both took a chance and paid dearly. Oops. Had they let him run past there would have only been one person shot that night

I also find it humorous you believe any of them could look at his rifle and match the sound from minutes earlier. These people are idiots
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I need proof that is not what happened. All eye witness accounts say that is the case.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Try to maintain some objectivity hearing 5 shots ring out, followed by a guy running with a AR, and people yelling "he just shot someone". There's enough reasonable belief to fear that he is going to open fire on someone else, given the information they had at hand. I'm not saying that is where the DA is going to go with that, but it's very plausible that they were acting under the auspice that Rittenhouse had shot someone and was a danger to everyone around him, and needed to be disarmed.

I know you want to believe that Rittenhouse is 100% in the right, and everyone else involved is 100% in the wrong, but it's not sort of scenario.
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Watch the videos and it's clear he wasn't threatening anyone. They wanted violence and they got it. First guy was screaming and begging to be shot. One arm brought a gun and declared he was trying to kill the kid not stop a threat.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Try to maintain some objectivity hearing 5 shots ring out, followed by a guy running with a AR, and people yelling "he just shot someone". There's enough reasonable belief to fear that he is going to open fire on someone else, given the information they had at hand. I'm not saying that is where the DA is going to go with that, but it's very plausible that they were acting under the auspice that Rittenhouse had shot someone and was a danger to everyone around him, and needed to be disarmed.

I know you want to believe that Rittenhouse is 100% in the right, and everyone else involved is 100% in the wrong, but it's not sort of scenario.
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If someone is running away with a gun, away from confrontation and retreating while not trying to shoot anyone else, then it might be very difficult to claim that person is still a threat. That could certainly go either way, but the felon with the pistol can possibly be seen as the aggressor in that situation and not acting in any form of self defense.
 
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utvolpj said:
Watch the videos and it's clear he wasn't threatening anyone. They wanted violence and they got it. First guy was screaming and begging to be shot. One arm brought a gun and declared he was trying to kill the kid not stop a threat.
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So if someone say shoot me then you shoot them you shouldn't go to jail? You sure you want to take that position?
 
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k-town_king said:
So if someone say shoot me then you shoot them you shouldn't go to jail? You sure you want to take that position?
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Huh? If I witness the act and end the threat I will not go to jail. But I'd better be damn sure I'm targeting the correct person or I'll be in serious trouble
 
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utvolpj said:
The kids was very clearly being chased and some reports say he was trying to take the gun away. How do I target someone when running away from them?
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They chased him after he killed the first guy. Why do you keep trying to ignore that fact? He killed someone and people wanted to stop a potential mass shooter.
 
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utvolpj said:
Huh? If I witness the act and end the threat I will not go to jail. But I'd better be damn sure I'm targeting the correct person or I'll be in serious trouble
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Lets be real. We should be surprised that K-town isn't celebrating white people no matter what side they are on
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
That would appear to provide him the opportunity to raise self defense as a defense to those guys. .


Where did that come from? I ask, because as written it would provide cover to a person who is robbing a bank and is confronted by a armed security guard who the criminal shoots and kills. Assuming it was a kill or be killed situation.
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Exactly.
 
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k-town_king said:
They chased him after he killed the first guy. Why do you keep trying to ignore that fact? He killed someone and people wanted to stop a potential mass shooter.
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And what are the details of the first incident? if the first incident is self defense. then they are trying to kill a guy who was protecting himself
 
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k-town_king said:
They chased him after he killed the first guy. Why do you keep trying to ignore that fact? He killed someone and people wanted to stop a potential mass shooter.
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A guy with a gun is not automatically a potential mass shooter. Not to mention the first shooting was self defense so they had no justification to chase or take him down
 
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C-south said:
Good thing there’s actual video of the entire thing. Eyewitness accounts in Minneapolis said the murderer that committed suicide was killed by cops for no reason.
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I’ll bet money he didn’t and won’t watch that video . Where she said Dey jumped out of Dey vans with Dey AKs and killed that man . Lol
 
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