Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s wasn’t a dealership. It was a mechanic shop owned by the same guy who had the dealership destroyed.

The friend is the son of the dealership owner.

And videos taken before he had to defend himself support the facts I presented.

I’ve been well trained and responsible with a gun since I was 11 years old. 17 bad but 18 can die for his country because a few months are such a big difference.

But spin away.
It’s not like you’re concerned about what actually happened
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18 is 18 just as 21 is 21. But, by your rationalization that he was almost an adult, the prosecutor in the case should try the shooter as an adult. Oops, that kind of 'backfired' on you.

We live under the rule of law.

Again, there's no way on god's green earth that some 17 YO lifeguard armed with an AR15 should be even within the same zip code as angry demonstrators.

Now, he'll spend the next... what... 10-20 years in prison.
 
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MontyPython said:
18 is 18 just as 21 is 21. But, by your rationalization that he was almost an adult, the prosecutor in the case should try the shooter as an adult. Oops, that kind of 'backfired' on you.

We live under the rule of law.

Again, there's no way on god's green earth that some 17 YO lifeguard armed with an AR15 should be even within the same zip code as angry demonstrators.

Now, he'll spend the next... what... 10-20 years in prison.
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I think you are a little off in your prediction, he’ll probably spend 0 to time served in prison.
 
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MontyPython said:
18 is 18 just as 21 is 21. But, by your rationalization that he was almost an adult, the prosecutor in the case should try the shooter as an adult. Oops, that kind of 'backfired' on you.

We live under the rule of law.

Again, there's no way on god's green earth that some 17 YO lifeguard armed with an AR15 should be even within the same zip code as angry demonstrators.

Now, he'll spend the next... what... 10-20 years in prison.
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I'll bet you anything you want to bet he doesn't spend 10 or 20 years in prison.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
LMFAO I pointed out the lack of relevance in an assault and battery case YOU offered and used as basis in personal property defense and I’m the one struggling on reading comprehension 😂

Also as was pointed out this was sentencing no?
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Christ, can you not follow the actual thread? @JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! is making the assertion that a jury in TN can, of it's own volition, choose to consider self-defense on charges regardless of the jury instructions when it comes to a murder charge for shooting someone who is destroying property alone.

And this is the TN supreme court, since he's in TN and not TX, stating that the court is the gatekeeper for allowing the jury to consider self-defense, and will only do so if proof at trial exists.

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you really struggling this much?
 
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hog88 said:
I think you are a little off in your prediction, he’ll probably spend 0 to time served in prison.
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Obviously depends on what the 'facts' are. Initial reports seem pretty damning.

Eyewitness to Wisconsin shootings: 'He came with a gun and was picking fights'

Here's the video... shoots the dude. Lingers a bit. Runs away while telling someone on the phone "I just killed somebody".

Thinking a jury *might* frown on a shooter fleeing the scene. Scratch out the self-defense legal defense.

Then, oh btw, he then proceeds to shoot 2 *more* people, killing one.

You think he deserves no time behind bars, huh?

Not only will this kid likely serve an extended prison sentence, but so will the person who supplied this minor with an AR15.
 
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MontyPython said:
Obviously depends on what the 'facts' are. Initial reports seem pretty damning.

Eyewitness to Wisconsin shootings: 'He came with a gun and was picking fights'

Here's the video... shoots the dude. Lingers a bit. Runs away while telling someone on the phone "I just killed somebody".

Thinking a jury *might* frown on a shooter fleeing the scene. Scratch out the self-defense legal defense.

Then, oh btw, he then proceeds to shoot 2 *more* people, killing one.

You think he deserves no time behind bars, huh?

Not only will this kid likely serve an extended prison sentence, but so will the person who supplied this minor with an AR15.
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Trying to decide what you're more wrong about....this or the China Virus...
 
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84Volfan said:
I'll bet you anything you want to bet he doesn't spend 10 or 20 years in prison.
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Watch the 2 embedded videos.

Eyewitness to Wisconsin shootings: 'He came with a gun and was picking fights'

Also of interest, a ******* kid with an AR15 comes walking by the cops (responding to a 'shots fired' situation, no less) with his hands raised while a guy is clearly heard *yelling repeatedly* "That dude right there just shot someone!!!" and...

the cops let him just walk on by.

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BeardedVol said:
Christ, can you not follow the actual thread? @JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! is making the assertion that a jury in TN can, of it's own volition, choose to consider self-defense on charges regardless of the jury instructions when it comes to a murder charge for shooting someone who is destroying property alone.

And this is the TN supreme court, since he's in TN and not TX, stating that the court is the gatekeeper for allowing the jury to consider self-defense, and will only do so if proof at trial exists.

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you really struggling this much?
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I see what the problem here is ... I'm speaking in English and you're listening in dumbass !

Who said anything about murder ? A lot of people around here have pretty good aim. Not to mention that most cases of this type wouldn't even see the courtroom here to start with. But anyway ...

does this mean you aren't coming to test your theory? Perfect opportunity for you to show just how right you are. Talk about an E cred opportunity of a lifetime !
 
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84Volfan said:
You can keep posting the same link with the same argument but this is goijg to come down to rule of law and jury decision. Little hint for you you're not going to like the outcome and I'm going to be there to quote all of your posts🤪
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You actually think the kid shooting 3 people is completely defensible?

There is something seriously wrong with Trumpsters. Some of you have been gaslighted beyond delusion and any hope, and have entered the realm of irredeemable.
 
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MontyPython said:
You actually think the kid shooting 3 people is completely defensible?

There is something seriously wrong with Trumpsters. Some of you have been gaslighted beyond delusion and any hope, and have entered the realm of irredeemable.
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I think you are going to be sorely disappointed with the outcome of this case....but i think disappointment is something you're quite accustomed to.
 
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MontyPython said:
Obviously depends on what the 'facts' are. Initial reports seem pretty damning.

Eyewitness to Wisconsin shootings: 'He came with a gun and was picking fights'

Here's the video... shoots the dude. Lingers a bit. Runs away while telling someone on the phone "I just killed somebody".

Thinking a jury *might* frown on a shooter fleeing the scene. Scratch out the self-defense legal defense.

Then, oh btw, he then proceeds to shoot 2 *more* people, killing one.

You think he deserves no time behind bars, huh?

Not only will this kid likely serve an extended prison sentence, but so will the person who supplied this minor with an AR15.
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lol clueless...
 
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MontyPython said:
You actually think the kid shooting 3 people is completely defensible?

There is something seriously wrong with Trumpsters. Some of you have been gaslighted beyond delusion and any hope, and have entered the realm of irredeemable.
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Since all three were attacking him as he was trying to get out of the area? yes it is defensible....clearly it was self-defense
 
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BeardedVol said:
Christ, can you not follow the actual thread? @JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! is making the assertion that a jury in TN can, of it's own volition, choose to consider self-defense on charges regardless of the jury instructions when it comes to a murder charge for shooting someone who is destroying property alone.

And this is the TN supreme court, since he's in TN and not TX, stating that the court is the gatekeeper for allowing the jury to consider self-defense, and will only do so if proof at trial exists.

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you really struggling this much?
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I read it and the link you provided seems to point to consideration during sentencing not in determining guilt by the trial court. Im not a lawyer but rather than rely on your inane ramblings further hey @RockyTop85 could you please look at the link earlier and see if this jury direction was only referencing being applied during sentencing as far as considering self defense consideration on punishment or whether it was general across the board and the jury is not allowed to consider self defense on their own at any time. Thanks for your reply if you do this.

Here is the link which was provided.

Tennessee Supreme Court Concludes That A Jury Must Be Instructed On Self-Defense Only When That Defense Has Been Fairly Raised By The Proof | Tennessee Administrative Office of the Courts
 
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McDad said:
This is the only video I've seen of the event.

How can anyone claim anything other than self defense?
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His simple act of being there was too antagonistic. That heinous act should be considered the first punch so all subsequent actions against him are now considered self defense. It's the law and stuff
 
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MontyPython said:
You actually think the kid shooting 3 people is completely defensible?

There is something seriously wrong with Trumpsters. Some of you have been gaslighted beyond delusion and any hope, and have entered the realm of irredeemable.
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Dumbest damn argument I've ever heard !


Now if you are ignorant enough and wussified enough to let someone kick your teeth in, beat your brains in with a skateboard or pull a gun on you and possibly kill you, then that's your business. Us sane people that value our lives are going to shoot back and defend ourselves knowing it is justified.
 
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utvolpj said:
His simple act of being there was too antagonistic. That heinous act should be considered the first punch so all subsequent actions against him are now considered self defense. It's the law and stuff
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The wrong ethnicity in the wrong part of town is a recipe for disaster.
 
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McDad said:
This is the only video I've seen of the event.

How can anyone claim anything other than self defense?
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People latch on to whatever they want and disregard the stuff that may kill their stance. It actually happened the other day with the same video when another poster either didn't know or didn't want to know that the situation didn't start with Rittenhouse just shooting somebody and then running off and shooting 2 more.

You can definitely argue that wasn't a good situation for a kid his age to be in and armed. I wouldn't want mine there in that situation no more than them running with the crowd that's looting and burning.

Having said that, my opinion of what happened wouldnt change if he was 25 either. The idea that he just rolled into town and started targeting demonstrators is not accurate.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Since all three were attacking him as he was trying to get out of the area? yes it is defensible....clearly it was self-defense
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So scenario for ya, Ricky:

Man rapes your daughter. Three guys witness this happen and chase the rapist. Rapist pulls out gun and shoots the witnesses.

You good with this? After all, the rapist was just acting in "self-defense".
 
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hog88 said:
I wouldn't shoot a person for petty theft of my property (unless I know them and it gives me an opportunity I've been looking for) but if they were trying to burn my house or other buildings they would get a bullet.
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Just remember proper placement of your his gas can. most likely to the back and right of the corpse. :rolleyes:
 
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