Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

[BeardedVol]

You cherry picked this and purposely mis-stated the circumstances. It’s in the link I provided. The key is not being engaged in unlawful activity which the defendant was not allowed due to being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm.

It’s fairly clear we are all speaking in generalities here and you cherry picked a corner case to make a shiite point. You’ve proved nothing. Your diatribe is meaningless. A convicted felon in possession of a firearm is by definition engaged in unlawful activity. Which is a topic for another thread.

Try to keep up, we are talking about the hypothetical situation of @JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! shooting someone who is in the act of vandalizing his jazzy scooter.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Try to keep up, we are talking about the hypothetical situation of @JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! shooting someone who is in the act of vandalizing his jazzy scooter.

To which your supporting link provides no support. You are all over the place and flailing badly. Find a relevant support example or STFU would be my recommendation

 

[SamRebel35]

Turns out, everybody involved is an *******. Kyle Rittenhouse throwing bombs at a girl in a girl fight

Maybe she identified as a guy. We don't know. We'll have to wait for more information.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Maybe she identified as a guy. We don't know. We'll have to wait for more information.

I thought it was funny when their flip flops came off during this little scuffle.

 

[BeardedVol]

Please attempt to damage Joey’s property & STFU. A permanent STFU.

Why would I want to destroy his property? I've got nothing against him or mobility scooters.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Why would I want to destroy his property? I've got nothing against him or mobility scooters.

I just want to see if Joey is a man of his word. You seem like the perfect candidate to destroy his property.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Why would I want to destroy his property? I've got nothing against him or mobility scooters.

You don’t have very good supporting arguments either.

 

[MontyPython]

Turns out, everybody involved is an *******. Kyle Rittenhouse throwing bombs at a girl in a girl fight

Solid, upstanding Trumpster.

 

[jaybird_1981]

The fact that you believe reading comprehension is the sole domain of the legal profession, says a lot.

Keep using them fancy words prosecutor. Which major dem run city are you the DA for?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Thanks for memorializing my fine post before it was deleted by a mod.

You, sir, offer nothing. Ignore list fodder.

You’re answer for everybody that shows what a rube you are. And I know you won’t see this reply either

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

Try to keep up, we are talking about the hypothetical situation of @JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! shooting someone who is in the act of vandalizing his jazzy scooter.

Sorry I can't type this in crayon to help you. Since everything seems to fly completely over your head Perry Mason, let me spell it out for you.

Here in Upper East TN if you come on my property unprovoked and start destroying it and I shoot your kneecap off....

A - The chances of the DA here bringing charges against me are slim to none.

B - No jury of peers around here, despite what instructed to do are going to convict me or any other property owner knowing the facts of the case.

C - No judge here is going to overturn a jury verdict with those facts.

This has been proven here many many times. You can spout all the drivel you want, but that is just the facts of the matter.

If you think a jury can't put its heads together and return the verdict that they damn well please then you are sadly mistaken. I've seen it firsthand.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm sure you are already subscribed, but in the off-chance you aren't this seems to be pertinent to your interests.

It was a joke dude. Get sense of humor, you'll live longer.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Sorry I can't type this in crayon to help you. Since everything seems to fly completely over your head Perry Mason, let me spell it out for you.

Here in Upper East TN if you come on my property unprovoked and start destroying it and I shoot your kneecap off....

A - The chances of the DA here bringing charges against me are slim to none.

B - No jury of peers around here, despite what instructed to do are going to convict me or any other property owner knowing the facts of the case.

C - No judge here is going to overturn a jury verdict with those facts.

This has been proven here many many times. You can spout all the drivel you want, but that is just the facts of the matter.

If you think a jury can't put its heads together and return the verdict that they damn well please then you are sadly mistaken. I've seen it firsthand.

If you didn’t read my replies on his example the self defense direction to the jury hinges on the defendant being a convicted felon and in possession of a firearm with which he shot the victim. Thus he was by definition engaged in illegal activity and was not afforded self defense as an affirmative defense.

So he had to go find a specific corner case to refute the shiite statement on jury consideration for self defense

 

[BeardedVol]

Sorry I can't type this in crayon to help you. Since everything seems to fly completely over your head Perry Mason, let me spell it out for you.

Here in Upper East TN if you come on my property unprovoked and start destroying it and I shoot your kneecap off....

A - The chances of the DA here bringing charges against me are slim to none.

B - No jury of peers around here, despite what instructed to do are going to convict me or any other property owner knowing the facts of the case.

C - No judge here is going to overturn a jury verdict with those facts.

This has been proven here many many times. You can spout all the drivel you want, but that is just the facts of the matter.

If you think a jury can't put its heads together and return the verdict that they damn well please then you are sadly mistaken. I've seen it firsthand.

Lol...

A - The chances of the DA here bringing charges against me are slim to none. - petty much a baseless statement and utterly without merit to accuse the sitting DAs of multiple Tennessee counties of 'dereliction of duty' without evidence.

B - No jury of peers around here, despite what instructed to do are going to convict me or any other property owner knowing the facts of the case. I can assure you, having sat and listened to probably ~250-300 (federal) cases with juries made up entirely of Tennesseans from the eastern 3rd of the state, that you cannot bank on having a jury made up of people as willfully ignorant as yourself and next door neighbors; Google 'Voir Dire'.

C - No judge here is going to overturn a jury verdict with those facts. - Possibly true, I'm not 100% certain if a trial judge in TN can overturn a jury verdict if they feel that the jury has grossly erred in their verdict; in some states they can. Typically in TN that happens at the state appellate and supreme court level when it occurs. They do however instruct the jury on what they can and can't consider during deliberation via jury instructions, so again, a jury can't choose to consider self-defense, if there was no evidence of actual self-defense presented in court. Note, just saing "I acted in self-defense" doesn't actually constitute as evidence of such.

 

[Orangeslice13]

18 is 18 just as 21 is 21. But, by your rationalization that he was almost an adult, the prosecutor in the case should try the shooter as an adult. Oops, that kind of 'backfired' on you.

We live under the rule of law.

Again, there's no way on god's green earth that some 17 YO lifeguard armed with an AR15 should be even within the same zip code as angry demonstrators.

Now, he'll spend the next... what... 10-20 years in prison.

You’re asserting that no 17 year old knows his way around a gun and it’s a moronic stance.

He’s not going to prison.
He’s likely not going to trial.
He will plead to a misdemeanor and be shooting at the range the next day.

 

[hog88]

Lol...

A - The chances of the DA here bringing charges against me are slim to none. - petty much a baseless statement and utterly without merit to accuse the sitting DAs of multiple Tennessee counties of 'dereliction of duty' without evidence.

B - No jury of peers around here, despite what instructed to do are going to convict me or any other property owner knowing the facts of the case. I can assure you, having sat and listened to probably ~250-300 (federal) cases with juries made up entirely of Tennesseans from the eastern 3rd of the state, that you cannot bank on having a jury made up of people as willfully ignorant as yourself and next door neighbors; Google 'Voir Dire'.

C - No judge here is going to overturn a jury verdict with those facts. - Possibly true, I'm not 100% certain if a trial judge in TN can overturn a jury verdict if they feel that the jury has grossly erred in their verdict; in some states they can. Typically in TN that happens at the state appellate and supreme court level when it occurs. They do however instruct the jury on what they can and can't consider during deliberation via jury instructions, so again, a jury can't choose to consider self-defense, if there was no evidence of actual self-defense presented in court. Note, just saing "I acted in self-defense" doesn't actually constitute as evidence of such.

Seriously? ****ing TN DAs are notorious for their dereliction of duty especially if it's an election issue.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Do you not even see the irony of your statement in this very thread? Look at the thread title to refresh yourself on where you are.

That’s the guy who thinks the police should determine who’s aloud to protest

 

[Y9 Vol]

That’s the guy who thinks the police should determine who’s aloud to protest

And how loud they can be.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

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[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

If you didn’t read my replies on his example the self defense direction to the jury hinges on the defendant being a convicted felon and in possession of a firearm with which he shot the victim. Thus he was by definition engaged in illegal activity and was not afforded self defense as an affirmative defense.

So he had to go find a specific corner case to refute the shiite statement on jury consideration for self defense

He seems to be baffled by the fact that I never even used the term self defense to begin with, nor the fact that one most likely would never have to claim it here. Must have shocked the sense out of him.

 

[NorthDallas40]

He seems to be baffled by the fact that I never even used the term self defense to begin with, nor the fact that one most likely would never have to claim it here. Must have shocked the sense out of him.

What is amazing is the change in the self defense and stand your ground laws over the last 20 years. I found a link stating that over 20 states have removed the duty to retreat clause and TN is one of them I believe. TX is also. This is the same pattern we are seeing with the swing to constitutional carry changes.

The libs are definitely having an impact on firearms legislation... just not in the direction they had hoped

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

For the record ... you come on my property and start beating on my "snazzy scooter" as Perry Mason Vol so eloquently put it, I'm probably only going to kneecap you,however you start in on my 67' GTO ragtop and I am putting 2 in your torso !

 

[NorthDallas40]

For the record ... you come on my property and start beating on my "snazzy scooter" as Perry Mason Vol so eloquently put it, I'm probably only going to kneecap you,however you start in on my 67' GTO ragtop and I am putting 2 in your torso !

If they are worthy of shooting to defend self or property then they are worthy of not being able to sue for civil damages. Seriously. Talk to any self defense training person.

if it isn’t worth getting violent don’t get violent.

If it’s worth getting violent then make sure you are the most violent party in the altercation.

 

[Y9 Vol]

If they are worthy of shooting to defend self or property then they are worthy of not being able to sue for civil damages. Seriously. Talk to any self defense training person.

if it isn’t worth getting violent don’t get violent.

If it’s worth getting violent then make sure you are the most violent party in the altercation.

"
Dalton

 

[MontyPython]

You’re asserting that no 17 year old knows his way around a gun and it’s a moronic stance.

He’s not going to prison.
He’s likely not going to trial.
He will plead to a misdemeanor and be shooting at the range the next day.

Careful what you wish for. If this dude were to get off scot free, this would prove to the current rioters that there is no justice in the United States. I suspect you'd see violent riots of historic proportions.

FWIW, here's the kiddo's current list of charges:

One count first-degree intentional homicide.
One count reckless homicide.
One count attempted intentional homicide.
Two counts recklessly endangering safety.
One count possession of a dangerous weapon while under the age of 18.

I defer to the attorneys on this board as to what this will end up being sentence-wise. For you to suggest there won't be a trial is inane. If that were to pass, all of Kenosha would be ashes.