Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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hog88 said:
Then the law needs to be changed.

If it's a case of had they let him go and he ended up hurting someone else the dept or officers could be sued, that needs to change. If it's a case of the dept or officers being sued for him getting hurt had they dog piled his azz, that needs to be changed. We can't on one hand hold officers liable for letting someone go and then on the other hold them accountable when someone gets hurt trying to escape.
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Lawyers caused this paradox, and officers balance it out every day
 
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hog88 said:
I agree this is a lawyer induced problem BUT you have to admit that just like lawyers there are bad cops out there being covered by good ones instead of being shown the door.
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There are hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers and yes like any other profession or group of people there are some idiots and some criminals and some bullies, but of the agencies i've worked for i've not seen that "bad cops" last very long. And they are a very very small percentage of the overall number totals.

The other thing to remember is that not every city police agency, county sheriff dept, etc. are the same either, so to compare them with hiring, training, leadership, politics, etc. as an example of "corrupt and evil" cops just isn't prudent. I am sure there is some podunk sheriff dept with 15 deputies run by a corrupt or racist sheriff in Bumblef*** Alabama or Deercrotch Michigan, but that's not the normality
 
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hog88 said:
I agree this is a lawyer induced problem BUT you have to admit that just like lawyers there are bad cops out there being covered by good ones instead of being shown the door.
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Just like one must admit that by and large black people cover for bad black people instead of cleaning up their own communities.
 
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rjd970 said:
Define "getting life threatened". Because walking to your car, lying on the ground saying you can't breathe, and sleeping in your own bed ain't it.
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Totally agree with the last 2.

The first one involves an assumption as to why he is going to his car. And in this case according to witnesses it was after and physical altercation and the use of a tazer.

It was a mistake to allow him to get to the car door. At that point you re asking the cop to make a decision based on information they dont have. A decision thats much easier made after the fact.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Well the criminal is the one to blame, i feel no sorrow for him.

A felon sex offender with tons of criminal history involved in a domestic fight, then resisted arrest. His actions...his consequences.
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If he wouldn't have resisted, if the officers had just handcuffed him on the ground, if...if...if....is my point. At the end of all those if's, one is in the hospital and the others aren't. I don't give one holy F about his criminal history because it literally has nothing to do with that specific moment he decided to resist and the officer decided to let him walk to his car to shoot him.

That is what we are talking about here and you bringing it up and saying he deserved it and making quips about him being paralyzed speaks volumes. It's low rent just like the multiple officers on site that couldn't handle this one guy without shooting him 7 times in the back.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
911 call, eyewitness reports, my own eyes from the video, knowledge of police procedure, and criminal law...there will be more that will validate my opinion of it
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The almighty Ricky has spoken. Further facts are unnecessary. The negro deserved it.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Getting raped is not the same as committing multiple crimes..try harder
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The analogy is supposed to show only that engaging in stupid behavior (not complying with police demand, walking into a drunken frat party in a string bikini) does not justify or warrant being raped or being shot in the back.
 
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I love the "they could have tackled him" argument. Its right up there with tasing. Or "shoot him in the leg."

The tactical decisions can be criticized forever. In hindsight knowing what happened, you can always theorize some alternative outcome had some other course of action been taken.

That has nothing to do with the constitutionality of use of force. That is entirely dependent in this case on whether they reasonably perceived a threat from him when they fired.

And, to boot, when you theorize about what the police could have done differently, don't forget to theorize about what he could have done differently. He could have not walked away and instead cooperated. He could have not reached into the door of the car.

And then, since we are dealing with alternative universes, let's say they tackle him. And then there is a claim they injured him that way. There is uproar over that. Shades of George Floyd on the ground.

In the case of all of this, you have to think in terms of what was known, at the moment of decision. Not what is known later. From another vantage point. And with no information from the video about what happened prior to then.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The almighty Ricky has spoken. Further facts are unnecessary. The negro deserved it.
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Ricky may be an arrogant guy with typical cop entitlement syndrome, but I haven't seen anything from him that suggests he is racist. To be honest, taking the conversation there doesn't help the real problems.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
What multiple crimes did he commit that day?
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Didn't he have warrants out for his arrest? If I read it right the officers were there for a domestic disturbance, probably at the time trying to question him and determine if there was a domestic crime committed. I have no idea what he said or did though that made the cops all pull their weapons. I still have not heard and do not know what he was reaching down for as he got into his car. Have they determined if there was a weapon in the car or on this guy?
 
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Vol737 said:
Didn't he have warrants out for his arrest? If I read it right the officers were there for a domestic disturbance, probably at the time trying to question him and determine if there was a domestic crime committed. I have no idea what he said or did though that made the cops all pull their weapons. I still have not heard and do not know what he was reaching down for as he got into his car. Have they determined if there was a weapon in the car or on this guy?
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that is my point. nobody on this board knows what happened.
 
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