Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

So now we know why you're pissed at cops. I can't blame you, I've had bad interactions with them too.
They arent even my stories to tell. And the second friend here would be pissed if she knew I shared her story.

I shouldnt need to have examples to justify a stance that cops shouldnt be given the leeway they are. Wanting some sort of balance isnt hate. I think the cops have too much power and the citizens not enough.
 
Needed a better lawyer.
On that we agree. It just made the point clear to me if I am innocent get the best lawyer I can afford, dont assume a decent one gets the job done even if I am actually innocent.
 
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On that we agree. It just made the point clear to me if I am innocent get the best lawyer I can afford, dont assume a decent one gets the job done even if I am actually innocent.

Innocent or guilty, especially if guilty always get the best lawyer you can afford. Hell, get the best one you can't afford.
 
Innocent or guilty, especially if guilty always get the best lawyer you can afford. Hell, get the best one you can't afford.

I remember when my son needed a lawyer. We got one that was highly recommended but as far as I was concerned with that, I could have done just as well as he did. All he did (it seemed to me on just observation) was stand there with my son facing the Judge & nodding his head yes or no. Hell, I could put my suit & tie on & go do that myself. Lawyers to me are nothing but a really big rip-off.
 
I remember when my son needed a lawyer. We got one that was highly recommended but as far as I was concerned with that, I could have done just as well as he did. All he did (it seemed to me on just observation) was stand there with my son facing the Judge & nodding his head yes or no. Hell, I could put my suit & tie on & go do that myself. Lawyers to me are nothing but a really big rip-off.

Their relationship with the judge is extremely important.
 
Friend was on the ground handcuffed, cop had a foot on his shoulder. Friend shifted weight because he said he was laying on a rock. That caused the cop to take a step back and he was found guilty via video for resisting arrest. Cop didnt even fall down, just mildly inconvenienced him. The video was used by the defense to show how little my friend did. Didnt matter, that was interfering and video proof of resisting. And that was the only charge he was arrested for, and it took him about 5 years to clear his record after the fact and get life somewhat back to normal.

Again the questioning was caught on video. Cops were questioning my friend and her BF. She asked why they were being detained, cop tells her she is now under arrest for resisting arrest. They end up also getting her with a DUI even though she hadnt entered the car, and was well under the legal limit and had no intention of driving. She told me she only had one drink about an hour before and she was grabbing stuff from her car to stay with her BF nearby for the night. I sat in the court room with her on that. So dont try passing it off.
I’m not passing it off. The 1st one sounds eh. I agree the 2nd one doesn’t sound right at all and I wouldn’t have added that charge for that. Although I’d like to see what officers report and video says also. She can be charged w DUI for being in possession of vehicle while intoxicated
 
So, what’s your solution to this mess?

How about complying with the police? Also it seems you are excusing the behavior of these idiots in light of this situation. Why? Why do you think this isn’t a big deal that jobless, wanna be thugs are creating violence under the guise of justice?
 
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How about complying with the police? Also it seems you are excusing the behavior of these idiots in light of this situation. Why? Why do you think this isn’t a big deal that jobless, wanna be thugs are creating violence under the guise of justice?

George complied with the police. 8 + minutes later dead. If you’re a black man, wouldn’t that history run through your head?
 
Well, you did say it was a slam dunk and inferred that lack of effort was the reason it hasn’t been fixed. Many more capable attorneys than myself have been trying to get these laws changed without success. But I understand what you’re saying, now.

The settlement thing is not a gripe. I’m not saying it’s unfair. It’s just a barrier to progress. Trial court decisions etc. don’t make lasting changes. Trial courts can (and some do) decide the same facts differently two day in a row.

Appellate Courts don’t care for a number of reasons. Some of it is indeed how laws are written. In TN, the path to political office has never been to “go soft on crime.” Some of it is that state judges are subject to retention and, Penny White, for example, got campaigned against and voted off the Supreme Court for being too deferential to defendant’s rights. Some of it is that there are competing policy arguments: that litigation would bankrupt municipalities or that it will cause cops to get slaughtered in droves while they hesitate deciding whether or not shooting this guy will get them sued. (Neither seems particularly compelling to me, in light of recent events). There are other reasons, I’m sure, but those come to mind.
Thanks again for your reply.

No surprise, but I think a lot depends on where we are standing that effects the why/how we see things.

If we are a defendant or an advocate for the defense we see the law and how it is administered as favoring the cops and the prosecution.

If we are a victim or a police officer/prosecutor we see the law and how it is administered as favoring the suspect.

Both views can be valid (to an extent) even though they would appear to be conflicting.

How we see recent events, (and which ones) can also be compelling, depending on where your sympathies fall.

Black man shot by the police/police officers shot in an ambush. Which is more compelling?

I guess it depends.
 
George complied with the police. 8 + minutes later dead. If you’re a black man, wouldn’t that history run through your head?
He didn’t comply and actually asked to be laid down bc he was dying of fentanyl od after eating a baggie of laced meth While trying to hide it
 
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