Political Correctness = Democrat = Socialism = Taking down America

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emainvol said:
Honestly, I think this is all misplaced blame. Singling out Obama, Dodd, and Frank is like me saying that the Dolphins didn't go to the Super Bowl last year because Cleo Lemon sucks
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I'm not singling them out. I apologize, there is a long list of democrats in on this and some repubs. But mostly dems. These were the most vocal and in the public eye on this issue...
 
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the health coverage issue in America is an out and out lie. People show up at hospitals and receive care, period.

The problem with socilization, and it's affot today with gov't setting pricing, is that our best and brightest will no longer put up with the schooling for the limited pay available. Socialized medicine does nothing but deteriorate the qualit of of care and quality of docs providing said care.
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The three of four of you pointing the finger saying I don't give every dime to charity (though I do give a large percantage to others despite my income level and do cover two seperate people despite being a single male) are really pathetic in attempting to brand me a hypocrit. Obviously it will take more than just myself to cover the country and make a real difference.
 
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emainvol said:
This is the second time you have suggested that I don't understand something. You can kiss my ass on that one, I assure you I understand it fully. You simply cannot argue that neoconservative is not a term for a political philosophy and people who subscribe to said philosophy, regardless of how you feel about whether or not the term makes sense.

As for socialism, I feel that it is a good idea on paper. However, implementing it in its pure form into a heterogeneous society is not exactly practical.

But maybe I should dumb that down a bit so I can fit your view of me. It ain't gonna work here cause there is too many different type of folks
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Wow, let's pick this apart:

1) The "neocon" phrase: Conservatism is based on conserving the original laws and how the forefathers intended them. Suggesting that I'm a new age conservative is oxymoronic. I'm not a new age conservative. Conservatives are for preserving the old law. So according to said term: I am a new age old law conservative???

2) Socialism on paper: Ha! Millions of people watch socialism fail every year. Watch the stupid show "Survivor" and see how quickly people get sick of watching the lazy butts lay around camp while everyone else gathers water, wood, and food. This is the easiest medium to catch socialism in action. Socialism is a bad idea on paper and in reality. You cannot take away a man's initiative and expect people to work hard and further their personal growth as well as benefit society as a whole.

3) Dumbing stuff down and acting as if I'm close-minded is absurd. I'll admit repubs were tied to part of the housing meltdown. I hate politicians, I just end up voting for Repubs because I only agree with Dems on about two issues. I just rarely agree to the vehicle in which the democrats suggest to tackling issues.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the health coverage issue in America is an out and out lie. People show up at hospitals and receive care, period.Posted via VolNation Mobile
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I grew up in poverty so I might have a different perspective. I've seen many times in life people avoid medical treatment because they can not afford it . It still happens.
 
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666 said:
The three of four of you pointing the finger saying I don't give every dime to charity (though I do give a large percantage to others despite my income level and do cover two seperate people despite being a single male) are really pathetic in attempting to brand me a hypocrit. Obviously it will take more than just myself to cover the country and make a real difference.
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You know these people, family members or close friends? If so, does not compare to you gladly giving more money away to make others covered for healthcare.
 
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666 said:
The three of four of you pointing the finger saying I don't give every dime to charity (though I do give a large percantage to others despite my income level and do cover two seperate people despite being a single male) are really pathetic in attempting to brand me a hypocrit. Obviously it will take more than just myself to cover the country and make a real difference.
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1) I said nothing about every dime, I said go pay for your closest non-insured neighbor's policy.

2) "You give a large percentage to other despite your income level" doesn't make sense. Percentage is percentage regardless of what you make, but I forgot democrats don't believe in percentages (ie their idea of taxes)

3) No one said that YOU could cover the country. But you may be able to cover a neighbor or two...go ahead. Randomly find a person on the street and pay for their health insurance while they sit at home and watch Jerry Springer, buy cigarettes, lottery tickets, and don't feed their kids.
 
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emainvol said:
As for socialism, I feel that it is a good idea on paper. However, implementing it in its pure form into a heterogeneous society is not exactly practical.

But maybe I should dumb that down a bit so I can fit your view of me. It ain't gonna work here cause there is too many different type of folks
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Why don't you just move to France. Sounds like you'll fit right in.
 
#35
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666 said:
I grew up in poverty so I might have a different perspective. I've seen many times in life people avoid medical treatment because they can not afford it . It still happens.
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so explain to me this basic right of health care.
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666 said:
I grew up in poverty so I might have a different perspective. I've seen many times in life people avoid medical treatment because they can not afford it . It still happens.
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I don't know the situation in which you grew up. So I'm not going argue on your perspective. I just completely disagree with giving people something for nothing.

I would like to make a couple of points:

1) I don't know any conservative that favors COMPLETELY getting rid of welfare. I think welfare should be reserved to the mentally and truly physically handicapped as well as those who have recently lost a job and looking for a new one (basically unemployment) and helping people train for new jobs, technologies etc, but they have to work to get it.

2) I'm not against people having healthcare. However, you have to work to get it. People at McDonald's deserve it just like CEO's. Sorry, I just don't believe in a free ride. I bet if I lost my job today, I could have 5 more by the week's end. People are lazy and welfare/socialism encourage it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
the health coverage issue in America is an out and out lie. People show up at hospitals and receive care, period.

The problem with socilization, and it's affot today with gov't setting pricing, is that our best and brightest will no longer put up with the schooling for the limited pay available. Socialized medicine does nothing but deteriorate the qualit of of care and quality of docs providing said care.
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This probably not a huge concern, but a lot of doctors from other countries immigrate to the US simply because of the chance to make a decent profit. India for sure is losing a lot of good doctors.
 
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kptvol said:
This probably not a huge concern, but a lot of doctors from other countries immigrate to the US simply because of the chance to make a decent profit. India for sure is losing a lot of good doctors.
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I'll defer to you because I don't know the space like you do. I do know that our public medicine systems, VA, Military etc, are a complete disaster and are the model that Hillary thought would work. Any system od that nature going forward will run docs out of the industry.

Aren't GPs getting harder to find because they only make $150k or so?
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You know, it's easier to just put people who can't comprehend on my ignore list than argue with them.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you might do some reading. You do know that China calls itself a republic, right?
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Differrince - France holds election, and has a dual-party system, similar to that of the United States.

China's constitution guarntees the Communist Party to stay in power, and they hold no organized election.
 
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