Politics in Europe

#51
#51
The problem with the boogie man "far right" lingo is that they are legitimate "far right" Fascists Candidates in Europe and by labeling any conservative movement as "far right", it is opening the door to blend them into normal conservatives and take power.

It is like the "racists" boogieman card in the USA. If it gets overused, it makes it more difficult to truly call out the real "racists".
 
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OrangeTsar said:
“Far right” In European parlance would (in my opinion) be anything that wasn’t 100% pro EU, pro net zero carbon emissions, and pro unrestricted immigration.
Anyone advocating for the slightest amount of national sovereignty, any control of borders, or any use whatsoever of fossil fuels is, by definition, literally Hitler.
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How else do you create a virtual one world govt without falsely maligning and shaming people into silence for anything that doesn’t mesh with the globalists goals?
 
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Vol737 said:
How else do you create a virtual one world govt without falsely maligning and shaming people into silence for anything that doesn’t mesh with the globalists goals?
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And Europe already has a historical precedent of subservience to authority. Most European countries were monarchies or autocracies until late in the nineteenth century.
True the enlightenment originated in Europe and most of what we consider Western Style Democracy has its roots there. But the political leadership has been very slow to put the ideas of the enlightenment into full practice.
There is a reason that the American colonists chose to break from Mother England in 1776. Even though Britain was probably the most enlightens “free” state in Europe, they still fell woefully short of the ideas they preached.
Europe drew the blueprints for western democracy. But our founding fathers actually did something with those blueprints.
(Then the French tried and got it HORRIBLY wrong 😳)
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And Europe already has a historical precedent of subservience to authority. Most European countries were monarchies or autocracies until late in the nineteenth century.
True the enlightenment originated in Europe and most of what we consider Western Style Democracy has its roots there. But the political leadership has been very slow to put the ideas of the enlightenment into full practice.
There is a reason that the American colonists chose to break from Mother England in 1776. Even though Britain was probably the most enlightens “free” state in Europe, they still fell woefully short of the ideas they preached.
Europe drew the blueprints for western democracy. But our founding fathers actually did something with those blueprints.
(Then the French tried and got it HORRIBLY wrong 😳)
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Of course the French did. They could mess up a free lunch. They did invent the guillotine though...so theres that. They need to start chopping heads again on these terrorists. They're really good at severing heads.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And Europe already has a historical precedent of subservience to authority. Most European countries were monarchies or autocracies until late in the nineteenth century.
True the enlightenment originated in Europe and most of what we consider Western Style Democracy has its roots there. But the political leadership has been very slow to put the ideas of the enlightenment into full practice.
There is a reason that the American colonists chose to break from Mother England in 1776. Even though Britain was probably the most enlightens “free” state in Europe, they still fell woefully short of the ideas they preached.
Europe drew the blueprints for western democracy. But our founding fathers actually did something with those blueprints.
(Then the French tried and got it HORRIBLY wrong 😳)
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What did the French get wrong?
You mentioned subservience to authority, which is an important metric. How do we and they compare there? From my view, take out those only bent on destruction such as Antifa and the French are far less subservient.
 
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EasternVol said:
What did the French get wrong?
You mentioned subservience to authority, which is an important metric. How do we and they compare there? From my view, take out those only bent on destruction such as Antifa and the French are far less subservient.
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Within less than 10 years, their Republic failed and was ruled by a Dictator (Napoleon). I would say they got it massively wrong.

I can give theories including the bloody reign of terror, attacks on religion, aggressive warlike mentality, no civil liberties for the "enemy", etc. They were too radical while the US setup a stable government that has stayed the same to this day.

The French still haven't 100% got it right as they are now on their "5th" Republic while USA is still on its 1st.
 
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EasternVol said:
What did the French get wrong?
You mentioned subservience to authority, which is an important metric. How do we and they compare there? From my view, take out those only bent on destruction such as Antifa and the French are far less subservient.
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Ever hear of Robespierre and the Committee on Public Safety? The Terror? The Jacobins? The guillotine? Good times those were 🙄.
And after it was all over? They merely replaced a king with an all powerful Emperor who bled France dry in a 20 year continuous war.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Ever hear of Robespierre and the Committee on Public Safety? The Terror? The Jacobins? The guillotine? Good times those were 🙄.
And after it was all over? They merely replaced a king with an all powerful Emperor who bled France dry in a 20 year continuous war.
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Napoleon wasn't all bad.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Within less than 10 years, their Republic failed and was ruled by a Dictator (Napoleon). I would say they got it massively wrong.

I can give theories including the bloody reign of terror, attacks on religion, aggressive warlike mentality, no civil liberties for the "enemy", etc. They were too radical while the US setup a stable government that has stayed the same to this day.

The French still haven't 100% got it right as they are now on their "5th" Republic while USA is still on its 1st.
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Their situation and ours were apples and oranges. If we'd have been on that side of the Atlantic we may have been just a footnote in history.
We certainly don't have the form of government we started with, considering abandonment of the Articles of Confederation, Lincoln, FDR, various constitutional amendments, and the rise of the MIC.
The bloody aftershocks of their revolution came sooner while ours came later.
 
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