Poll: If you are a Trump supporter, do you consider him to be a “good Christian?”

Is Donald Trump someone you would call/consider a “good Christian?”

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 6.1%

  • No

    Votes: 67 58.3%

  • I like pie

    Votes: 31 27.0%

  • Turbo just vote here and save everyone time

    Votes: 10 8.7%
  • Total voters
    115
#876
#876
Orangeslice13 said:
Have you ever studied the law and its function on atonement?
Not being snarky, it’s something that most believers just don’t do and it would really help people understand the G-d they follow if they did.

For example, you bring up thoughts and sin. Thoughts can absolutely be sin. The definition of sin according to the law isn’t evil. Sins can be evil but the actual meaning is simply “missing the mark”. In the sacrificial system there were sacrifices to atone for sins you were unaware you committed.
Another one is the Messiah is often called “the lamb of G-d who takes away the sins of the world “ but most have no idea what that actually means. Most don’t have a clue what the Passover lamb was for.

but back to the issue at hand, it doesn’t matter what we think the punishment should be. All that matters is what Hashem says it is. And the closer you get to seeking original truth or understanding the more obvious it becomes.
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I have always been of the opinion that the feelings in our hearts determine if we are sinning as long as it is pleasing unto the lord and not the worldly desires of man. If our works are righteous in the eyes of God, then it creates a good mind. Proverbs touches on this in the 15th or 16th chapter IIRC.
 
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#878
Orangeslice13 said:
Without getting too wordy. You can read this and draw your own conclusion.

The Greek of Matthew 25:46

Matthew 25:46 does indeed say 'everlasting punishment.' Hard words.
www.daily-bible-study-tips.com
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I did a word study and pretty much came to the same conclusion this article did.

Mini Conclusion

  • Aion can mean age, but it isn’t used in Matthew 25:46.
  • The verb kolazo isn’t used either, and it doesn’t mean prune.
  • Eis kolasin aionion means into eternal punishment.

  • Translating aionion as of an age here is inconsistent with numerous verses that uses the same word to describe God and Jesus.
 
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#882
PEPPERJAX said:
I have always been of the opinion that the feelings in our hearts determine if we are sinning as long as it is pleasing unto the lord and not the worldly desires of man. If our works are righteous in the eyes of God, then it creates a good mind. Proverbs touches on this in the 15th or 16th chapter IIRC.
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I take comfort when I screw up in that King David never knew of a law he didn’t break and managed to remain righteous.

So maybe I’ll be ok too.
 
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#883
Behr said:
I did a word study and pretty much came to the same conclusion this article did.

Mini Conclusion

  • Aion can mean age, but it isn’t used in Matthew 25:46.
  • The verb kolazo isn’t used either, and it doesn’t mean prune.
  • Eis kolasin aionion means into eternal punishment.

  • Translating aionion as of an age here is inconsistent with numerous verses that uses the same word to describe God and Jesus.
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I like to look at other available writings of the time from outside the biblical realm to check words.
 
#884
#884
Orangeslice13 said:
Paul is the most misunderstood person in history.
I often challenge people to show me a teaching by Paul and I’ll show you what he was teaching in Torah. His job was to bring Torah to the world and that mission was altered after his death
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So he didn’t preach absolute celibacy?
 
#885
#885
I don’t see Trump as living in a very Christlike way. Humility especially seems in very short supply. But then again, I don’t exactly see many people at all in National politics who I have a high degree of confidence in their spiritual sincerity.
That said, I will be voting for President, not Pastor; and I don’t exactly have a pool of saints to choose from in 2024. So i will be inclined to vote for whoever I feel will best leave me alone to live MY faith as best I can.
Jimmy Carter was maybe the only President of my lifetime who I thought was totally genuine in his Faith. He also was an incredibly ineffective leader. Still love the man though
 
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#890
BigO95 said:
All that die lost in their sins without Christ.
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I always like to get the opinion from other Christians from different denominations. Are you lumping those lost in sin with people who never had the opportunity to hear or accept the Gospel and passed away? Just curious.
 
#891
#891
Behr said:
No, I may have misunderstood your point but I was commenting on what you said in the last part..."it would be like assuming the US uses the death penalty on every prisoner because we use the death penalty on the worst of the worse."
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still not sure what exactly you are wanting me to comment on or expand upon, sorry.
 
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#892
LouderVol said:
still not sure what exactly you are wanting me to comment on or expand upon, sorry.
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I wasn't looking for anything buddy. After reading your post I had a thought and posted it. I guess I should have kept it to myself
Lol. Carry on.
 
#893
#893
PEPPERJAX said:
I always like to get the opinion from other Christians from different denominations. Are you lumping those lost in sin with people who never had the opportunity to hear or accept the Gospel and passed away? Just curious.
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To take it even further, what about the folks who know about Jesus in the modern age but grew up in a completely different culture where they were raised Muslim or Hindu, and everyone around them is in a similar boat. Are they victims of circumstance, condemned to hell for the time and place they were born? If god is omnipotent, would it not follow it created these souls knowing they would not become Christians through no real fault of their own?
 
#894
#894
MercyPercy said:
To take it even further, what about the folks who know about Jesus in the modern age but grew up in a completely different culture where they were raised Muslim or Hindu, and everyone around them is in a similar boat. Are they victims of circumstance, condemned to hell for the time and place they were born? If god is omnipotent, would it not follow it created these souls knowing they would not become Christians through no real fault of their own?
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No imo
 
#895
#895
PEPPERJAX said:
No imo
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It doesn't make sense to me either for that to be the case if we are discussing a hypothetical benevolent creator, but if you follow the premise that the only way to heaven is through accepting Jesus as your god.. it's the logical conclusion.
 
#896
#896
MercyPercy said:
It doesn't make sense to me either for that to be the case if we are discussing a hypothetical benevolent creator, but if you follow the premise that the only way to heaven is through accepting Jesus as your god.. it's the logical conclusion.
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This is where I am at.

While the righteous rest, those who were unrighteous in life will live in spirit prison (often referred to as “hell”). Spirit prison is not a final judgment or eternal punishment. Because God is loving and fair, those in prison will be taught the gospel of Jesus Christ and given the opportunity to accept the Savior, which can “make [them] free” (see John 8:32).

The spirit world is a waiting period until we receive the gift of resurrection, when our spirits will reunite with our bodies. Our future resurrected body cannot die and will be perfect—free from pain, sickness, and imperfections. It is because of the infinite love of Jesus Christ that everyone will be resurrected.
 
#897
#897
PEPPERJAX said:
I always like to get the opinion from other Christians from different denominations. Are you lumping those lost in sin with people who never had the opportunity to hear or accept the Gospel and passed away? Just curious.
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I'm talking about everyone who has not been born again.
 
#898
#898
BigO95 said:
I'm talking about everyone who has not been born again.
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Take it another step, if a man dies in a country that does not permit the teachings of Christ and never has the opportunity to hear the gospel, then what?
 
#899
#899
PEPPERJAX said:
This is where I am at.

While the righteous rest, those who were unrighteous in life will live in spirit prison (often referred to as “hell”). Spirit prison is not a final judgment or eternal punishment. Because God is loving and fair, those in prison will be taught the gospel of Jesus Christ and given the opportunity to accept the Savior, which can “make [them] free” (see John 8:32).

The spirit world is a waiting period until we receive the gift of resurrection, when our spirits will reunite with our bodies. Our future resurrected body cannot die and will be perfect—free from pain, sickness, and imperfections. It is because of the infinite love of Jesus Christ that everyone will be resurrected.
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So we could all be existing in "spirit prison" at this very moment?
 
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