Poll: If you are a Trump supporter, do you consider him to be a “good Christian?”

[theFallGuy]

thread went about how I expected it to

 

[MercyPercy]

The devil absolutely hates the book because of the fulfilled prophecy. It wasn't written after the fact but many years before. Perhaps you should dig a little bit deeper in history.

That's rich coming from someone who either doesn't believe in non-avian dinosaurs or thinks humans lived amongst them.

 

[BigO95]

Who wrote the book of Daniel?
Who wrote this book? The prophet Daniel is the author of this book (see Daniel 8:1; 9:2, 20; 10:2). Daniel's name means “a judge (is) God”
Daniel 8:1¶In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.

9:2a..In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years,

20¶And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

10:2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

It appears to be written first hand. Daniel is certainly the author and it's certain that he lived in Nebuchadnezzar's day.
It's a historical fact that he reigned around 600 BC. Daniel wrote the book and Daniel lived at the same time king Nebuchadnezzar lived. That's historical facts... And it's also a fact that those prophecies were made long before they came to pass. Deny it all you please, but those are the facts.

 

[BigO95]

World history proves that it happened just as Daniel predicted it to happen. Scoff, mock and twist all you please but the facts remain the same.

 

[MercyPercy]

Who wrote the book of Daniel?
Who wrote this book? The prophet Daniel is the author of this book (see Daniel 8:1; 9:2, 20; 10:2). Daniel's name means “a judge (is) God”
Daniel 8:1¶In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.

9:2a..In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years,

20¶And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

10:2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

It appears to be written first hand. Daniel is certainly the author and it's certain that he lived in Nebuchadnezzar's day.
It's a historical fact that he reigned around 600 BC. Daniel wrote the book and Daniel lived at the same time king Nebuchadnezzar lived. That's historical facts... And it's also a fact that those prophecies were made long before they came to pass. Deny it all you please, but those are the facts.

You don't know what a fact is, and that is obvious.

 

[Septic]

That's rich coming from someone who either doesn't believe in non-avian dinosaurs or thinks humans lived amongst them.

Wait, is he a YAC?

 

[MercyPercy]

Wait, is he a YAC?

Yep..

 

[Septic]

Is this one of your “I don’t really want to know “ posts or would you like a real answer?

I’m ok either way. I think it’s clear where you stand with me.

No, I'm wide open to interpretations and different perspectives even if I don't currently subscribe to the fundamental aspects of them. I've been waiting on someone to say something that will pierce my skepticism.

 

[Septic]

Yep..

 

[BigO95]

You don't know what a fact is, and that is obvious.

Another great prophecy study would be of a king called Cyrus.

 

[Septic]

You don't know what a fact is, and that is obvious.

He throws around the word "evidence" like the Harlem Globetrotters pass the ball.

It's a fascinating spectacle to behold.

 

[BigO95]

He throws around the word "evidence" like the Harlem Globetrotters pass the ball.

It's a fascinating spectacle to behold.

And yet there's still an empty tomb!! That's a fact!!!

 

[DinkinFlicka]

The oldest copy of the book of Daniel is from the Dead Sea scrolls and dates to late second century BCE at approximately 160 BCE or roughly 190 years before the messianic events.

About 5800 years after dinosaurs?

 

[MemphisVol77]

You using the bible to prove the bible is true reminds me of this.

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Lol, I get it, and that's funny.

Years ago I tried to approach it from an intellectual perspective. So I grabbed this compilation of contrasting letters and essays that were written by C.S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud. The Question of God

I know some of their ideas have become antiquated, but that's pretty irrelevant to the philosophical agreements they came to. They only came to two conclusive agreements. Don't waste money on the book, I'll spoil it.

1. The existence of God cannot be disproven.
2. The existence of God cannot be proven.

I don't know how to make anyone want to believe that doesn't want to believe. Belief is a paradox of faith beyond logic, but that doesn't make faith illogical. I can prove that a straight line is the shortest distance between two points with logic. I can't prove the existence of God with words in a book.

"Render unto Caeser the things that are Caeser's"

I know the story but I wonder what it really cost Caeser to sneak this plug in?

You're letting your cynicism make you illogical. He probably didn't pay anything. I doubt he managed any kind of royalty or copyright, but he might have taxed the sales. Even today, I'm not aware of any version of the bible that isn't copyrighted to not allow more than 500 verses, or 25% of a book within, etc to be reprinted..... For the most part the copyrights are unenforced, but if you start printing and distributing enough copies, it will get enforced.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I'm referring to the historical events often referenced in the prophecies regarding the four kingdoms, the wars and the timelines around them. If you're giving the writer credit for predicting a messiah, that's fine but not something I'm all that impressed by. Folks have been making similar predictions since the beginning of religion itself. Most jews are still waiting for that messiah as you know lol

You and I are good.
The prediction of messiah is pretty impressive mathematically.
In fact it’s Yeshua or it’s nobody. Of course I’m a Jew so I have a way different view on it than most you probably encounter.

Not trying to push that. Just saying for anyone interested in looking into it.

Besides I’m more interested in learning about how you fish that converting you to Messianic Judaism.
(Conversion isn’t really what we strive for)

 

[Orangeslice13]

About 5800,000 years after dinosaurs?

Fyp.
I have no idea on dinosaurs. Some were still wandering around 55000 years ago. (Woolly mammoth) and some still are today (ostrich and crocodiles) but the big boys have been gone a long time. G-d needed them gone to make gasoline.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No, I'm wide open to interpretations and different perspectives even if I don't currently subscribe to the fundamental aspects of them. I've been waiting on someone to say something that will pierce my skepticism.

I’m your huckleberrer
I’ll tag you tonight. I’m painting doors at my mothers house and this is not an answer I’m willing to half ass

 

[Septic]

I’m your huckleberrer
I’ll tag you tonight. I’m painting doors at my mothers house and this is not an answer I’m willing to half ass

 

[hog88]

Hey @Orangeslice13

Have you heard about this? Sounds crazy, there has to be one heck of a backstory here.

Riot breaks out after NYPD tries to seal secret synagogue tunnels in Brooklyn

 

[MercyPercy]

Fyp.
I have no idea on dinosaurs. Some were still wandering around 55000 years ago. (Woolly mammoth) and some still are today (ostrich and crocodiles) but the big boys have been gone a long time. G-d needed them gone to make gasoline.

Even wilder, the last woolly mammoth species to die out was actually only ~4,000 years ago, on some Russian island if I remember correctly. The dwarf woolly mammoth species (of which there were many all over the world as a result of island dwarfism) lived on well after their large cousins died out. Making it theoretically possible that someone could have transported one of the little fellers to march down the streets of Babylon.

Not that I think they did, but it's a fun thought.

 

[LouderVol]

You and I are good.
The prediction of messiah is pretty impressive mathematically.
In fact it’s Yeshua or it’s nobody. Of course I’m a Jew so I have a way different view on it than most you probably encounter.

Not trying to push that. Just saying for anyone interested in looking into it.

Besides I’m more interested in learning about how you fish that converting you to Messianic Judaism.
(Conversion isn’t really what we strive for)

depends on what you mean by impressive mathematics. a 20% miss isn't very impressive.

only if you start at the END of the construction of the temple, and end at Jesus's birth is it anywhere close. instead of "From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[f] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing."

depending on what year you start and end at he is off by at LEAST 11 7's. thats at least a 15% fudge factor.

and that math just goes off the 70 7s instead of the 69 "numbered" 7s. if it was really the 69 that he numbers in there its 12 7s he is off at almost a 18% miss.

it gets worse once you consider the Jewish calendar is shorter than 365 days (355 days). over the course of the 70 7s that would be at least another 20 years. another 3 7s of miss. 15 7s (105 years) off over 70 7s (490) is north of 20%.

but i get it, the 7 number is important to the Canaanites Jews, so it was more important to be symbolic than accurate.

 

[McDad]

I guess if you have enough time and pressure, coal will eventually turn into a diamond. Same with prognostications, Occam's razer..

Thanks for providing insight me on how you would make sense of it. I appreciate it

 

[McDad]

lets not forget about 1000 years of the game of telephone across a group of people that was constantly being scattered, divided, and conquered by multiple outside cultures.

A few years ago I saw a article about a song that was common in a tribe but some of the language in the song was not part of the current usage. Anyways, as they researched the song it had essentially not changed at all over thousands of years because it was shared person to person as a song. Now I'm not making a case that's what happened in oral history of biblical storytelling but it leads credibility to the possibility of something remained unchanged even though it is shared over thousands of years

 

[McDad]

Wait, is he a YAC?

What's a YAC?

 

[hog88]

A few years ago I saw a article about a song that was common in a tribe but some of the language in the song was not part of the current usage. Anyways, as they researched the song it had essentially not changed at all over thousands of years because it was shared person to person as a song. Now I'm not making a case that's what happened in oral history of biblical storytelling but it leads credibility to the possibility of something remained unchanged even though it is shared over thousands of years

I can believe an oral history shared among common people could remain unchanged for millennia more so than a written one controlled by those in power.