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[hog88]

What's a YAC?

Yards after catch.

 

[McDad]

I can believe an oral history shared among common people could remain unchanged for millennia more so than a written one controlled by those in power.

That's only because you're partial to oral

 

[McDad]

Yards after catch.

That's the only Yac I'm aware of too so we're in the same boat

 

[Orangeslice13]

Hey @Orangeslice13

Have you heard about this? Sounds crazy, there has to be one heck of a backstory here.

Riot breaks out after NYPD tries to seal secret synagogue tunnels in Brooklyn

I have not but looking forward to reading about it.

 

[MercyPercy]

A few years ago I saw a article about a song that was common in a tribe but some of the language in the song was not part of the current usage. Anyways, as they researched the song it had essentially not changed at all over thousands of years because it was shared person to person as a song. Now I'm not making a case that's what happened in oral history of biblical storytelling but it leads credibility to the possibility of something remained unchanged even though it is shared over thousands of years

I think it is certainly possible for an oral tradition/song to go unchanged for large periods of time in an isolated, culturally stagnate and technologically unsophisticated tribe. I'd like to read the article if you can find it to see their specific situation. However I don't think that's quite so analogous to biblical translations where competing sects played around with the text on purpose to make it fit their beliefs, much less the probably even more common honest to god (hehe) mistakes made in translation.

 

[hog88]

That's only because you're partial to oral

Guilty

 

[Orangeslice13]

depends on what you mean by impressive mathematics. a 20% miss isn't very impressive.

only if you start at the END of the construction of the temple, and end at Jesus's birth is it anywhere close. instead of "From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[f] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing."

depending on what year you start and end at he is off by at LEAST 11 7's. thats at least a 15% fudge factor.

and that math just goes off the 70 7s instead of the 69 "numbered" 7s. if it was really the 69 that he numbers in there its 12 7s he is off at almost a 18% miss.

it gets worse once you consider the Jewish calendar is shorter than 365 days (355 days). over the course of the 70 7s that would be at least another 20 years. another 3 7s of miss. 15 7s (105 years) off over 70 7s (490) is north of 20%.

but i get it, the 7 number is important to the Canaanites Jews, so it was more important to be symbolic than accurate.

I’m really not interested in that debate.
But it’s dead on.

Agree to disagree

Edit: @LouderVol
I apologize if that sounded dismissive. Not my intention. It’s just a little too complicated for a message board. I have a friend who wrote a paper on it , and by paper I mean book. I have your number, if you are interested I can get a copy and send it too you.

 

[MercyPercy]

What's a YAC?

Ken Ham ring a bell?

 

[McDad]

I think it is certainly possible for an oral tradition/song to go unchanged for large periods of time in an isolated, culturally stagnate and technologically unsophisticated tribe. I'd like to read the article if you can find it to see their specific situation. However I don't think that's quite so analogous to biblical translations where competing sects played around with the text on purpose to make it fit their beliefs, much less the probably even more common honest to god (hehe) mistakes made in translation.

I can understand why someone who finds faith challenging would come to that conclusion.

 

[McDad]

Ken Ham ring a bell?

No sir. Is YAC his group/church?

 

[MercyPercy]

I can understand why someone who finds faith challenging would come to that conclusion.

I think it's a logical conclusion.. faith or no faith.

 

[MercyPercy]

No sir. Is YAC his group/church?

Young earth creationists. The folks that think the earth is only 6000 years old because they take every single word in the Bible literally.

 

[McDad]

Young earth creationists. The folks that think the earth is only 6000 years old because they take every single word in the Bible literally.

Isn't that YEC?

 

[MercyPercy]

Isn't that YEC?

Septic can't spell.

 

[McDad]

I think it's a logical conclusion.. faith or no faith.

Why would you need faith if you have logic conclusion?

 

[McDad]

Septic can't spell.

You translated for him. Must be Florida connection m

 

[MercyPercy]

Why would you need faith if you have logic conclusion?

I'm just saying that I don't think you need to be a faithless heathen like me to see the differences in the two situations you are comparing.

 

[MercyPercy]

You translated for him. Must be Florida connection m

We're all Florida Man deep down.

 

[turbovol]

The bible has about as much legitimacy as the tablets Joseph Smith claim to have discovered (buried in a hill) and translated.

People write and say a lot of crazy things.

 

[hog88]

The bible has about as much legitimacy as the tablets Joseph Smith claim to have discovered (buried in a hill) and translated.

People write and say a lot of crazy things.

^^Yes they do

 

[MercyPercy]

The bible has about as much legitimacy as the tablets Joseph Smith claim to have discovered (buried in a hill) and translated.

People write and say a lot of crazy things.

You should probably sit this one out.

 

[McDad]

I'm just saying that I don't think you need to be a faithless heathen like me to see the differences in the two situations you are comparing.

I agree. If someone without faith didn't default to logic, I would be concerned.

Sidebar question, how do you manage decisions where faith (non religious) is necessary because there isn't a logical conclusion to guide you?

 

[McDad]

We're all Florida Man deep down.

*Barf
Florida should slip back beneath the waves where the state belongs.

 

[hog88]

I agree. If someone without faith didn't default to logic, I would be concerned.

Sidebar question, how do you manage decisions where faith (non religious) is necessary because there isn't a logical conclusion to guide you?

A little clarification please.

 

[McDad]

A little clarification please.

Decisions wrt love, hunches, intuition, gut, feelings, etc.