Poll: If you are a Trump supporter, do you consider him to be a “good Christian?”

Is Donald Trump someone you would call/consider a “good Christian?”

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 6.1%

  • No

    Votes: 67 58.3%

  • I like pie

    Votes: 31 27.0%

  • Turbo just vote here and save everyone time

    Votes: 10 8.7%
  • Total voters
    115
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jvol1 said:
Which false interpretation is that?
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We had a thread for that. Some could not handle it. If you want to discuss it free of arguing about who is right then I’ll tag you elsewhere. If not we can just leave it as (my opinion)
 
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McDad said:
What if Mojo had phrased this way;
...he shows none of the character traits that you HOPE TO see in a Christian



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either way he phrases it, he would not be wrong in what he was obviously intending to say. You don't have to apporve of him (his actions), or try to defend him, cause I wouldn't. If Trump tried to tell me directly he was a christian I would say same thing. I hope you are, but I also hope you start taking seriously that that is not what people see. At same time, it's not my place to judge him. As a president it would be my responsibility, if I wanted to cast vote for him, to decide if his performance will be worth the vote. If either party ever trots out a candidate with strong presidential qualities as well as strong personal traits, I'd vote twice. Even though I have voted for him, I've never tried to defend him as a mrtyr.

I've always been open that he really needed to grow up and be president. He would have been the best by far. THe best way he could have battled the left is ignore the attacks and produce in the office as a grown up.
 
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lostsheep said:
Interesting take. Not that I disagree, but am curious as to what you consider to be the primary differences in those identifying as "Christians" (or "pauliethiest"), and those you would consider "believers?"
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Like the post above….ill be glad to discuss it elsewhere but have no interest in converting you or convincing you.
 
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GVF said:
My answer would be a good Christian knows they're flawed but is committed to his faith nonetheless because he believes in the grace of God to guide their life. For comparison, I would not conider most televangelists in that category or any self-procliming look at me christian. If a person can't observe that you are a christian, regardless of imperfections, there's no need telling them you are.
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If I deem myself in position to determine whether or not someone else is a “good Christian” doesn’t that mean I’m not being a “good Christian”?

Yeah, he’s not.
 
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volbound1700 said:
The sad truth is that a serious Christian that follows the scriptures accurately would have a hard time advancing far enough in politics to even run for President.

There is too much corruption in our system to allow someone that is "pure" to win.
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There is a higher calling than elected secular offices anyway. Jesus instructed that you were IN the world, not OF the world. If you want to make a difference as a christian you do it with boots on the ground.
 
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I'm not a Trump supporters so am not voting, of course.

But how 7 people (so far) can answer that yes is astounding. Trump stands for everything Christ taught against.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
If I deem myself in position to determine whether or not someone else is a “good Christian” doesn’t that mean I’m not being a “good Christian”?

Yeah, he’s not.
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Depends on how you go about it. If you can acknowledge unchristian habits without judging a person. I think that's entirely possible, though tough for us humans.
 
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GVF said:
Depends on how you go about it. If you can acknowledge unchristian habits without judging a person. I think that's entirely possible, though tough for us humans.
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I’ll just judge away. It’s way more fun. You’re clearly a bad Christian GVF. I’m just playing. Just ignore me. That’s what my wife does.
 
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GVF said:
There is a higher calling than elected secular offices anyway. Jesus instructed that you were IN the world, not OF the world. If you want to make a difference as a christian you do it with boots on the ground.
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I feel like what you get in politics is mostly cultural Christianity. For example, anti-LGBT items (and homosexuality is a sin per the Bible). However, that is just a very small piece of Christianity. If we wanted to force Christian beliefs on everyone, why not hit other sins like Adultery, Lying, Sexual Immorality between heterosexual couples, gluttony, bullying, drunkenness, usury, etc. Where does it end? I think this was tried in the 1500s in Europe and didn't work out very well. Ironically, the closest example you have of people outlawing sin to follow God's command is with Islam. We might as well follow the Koran if we go down that road since it shares a lot of the same values with regard to sin. You are absolutely, 100% correct about the boots on the ground and being personal with people. That was how Jesus approached the world. If he wanted the government to lead, Jesus would have gone to Rome and taken Caesar's mantle.

I don't think the focus should be on outlawing sin. Christianity won't win in the Government.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not a Trump supporters so am not voting, of course.

But how 7 people (so far) can answer that yes is astounding. Trump stands for everything Christ taught against.
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People forget one thing. Trump does acknowledge God to the point he says he has faith. As Mojo said, he's not real good at showing it, and there plenty of merit to that observation. But, do we know what's really on the inside. Maybe he's got a internal flaw in the elevator and it don't go to the top floor...but he's trying to be his best. Who knows. But when no one sin is greater than the other, except for blasphemy, how do you deal with that as a human. Judging other people flaws as a flawed person is a rabbit hole.

In the paraphrased words of christ to his apostles...if someone is speaking for me how can they be against me...was the answer they got when they asked if they should go silence the man that was 'preaching' somewhat or slightly flawed teachings. Which is a different animal that discerning false prophets that disguise themselves.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I feel like what you get in politics is mostly cultural Christianity. For example, anti-LGBT items (and homosexuality is a sin per the Bible). However, that is just a very small piece of Christianity. If we wanted to force Christian beliefs on everyone, why not hit other sins like Adultery, Lying, Sexual Immorality between heterosexual couples, gluttony, bullying, drunkenness, usury, etc. Where does it end? I think this was tried in the 1500s in Europe and didn't work out very well. Ironically, the closest example you have of people outlawing sin to follow God's command is with Islam. We might as well follow the Koran if we go down that road since it shares a lot of the same values with regard to sin. You are absolutely, 100% correct about the boots on the ground and being personal with people. That was how Jesus approached the world. If he wanted the government to lead, Jesus would have gone to Rome and taken Caesar's mantle.

I don't think the focus should be on outlawing sin. Christianity won't win in the Government.
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Good take. Islam is not far removed from alot of modern takes on christianity. It's legalistic. Which is contrary to grace, which christ explicity imparts upon those that are baptized into him. Grace is the only measure by which one can truly have peace in christ. We are designed to be flawed and cannot avoid it. We cannot earn anything. Where it does end is where you are in a walk with God when you die.

It's too long to post here, but I highly recommend reading through Romans chapter 8 several times. Well, the entire book is worth multiple studies. I Cor 6:9 gives a list of the kinds of people that will not enter hesaven, but that only truly applies to dying as that person in those sins. As is the general theme in most of Romans, if you live by the flesh you die by the flesh. But, I digress. I mostly come to PF for the political meme thread. lol. And Slice is one of the very few people on this forum I'd get into serious duscussions with, and have. He sticks true to his word if you want discuss and exhange beliefs without arguing. We have as much in common as we do differences.

My last take on this is Trump a good christian thing, is that you can call something out as it appears to be without casting judgement. And that applies to anyone.
 
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GVF said:
Good take. Islam is not far removed from alot of modern takes on christianity. It's legalistic. Which is contrary to grace, which christ explicity imparts upon those that are baptized into him. Grace is the only measure by which one can truly have peace in christ. We are designed to be flawed and cannot avoid it. We cannot earn anything. Where it does end is where you are in a walk with God when you die.

It's too long to post here, but I highly recommend reading through Romans chapter 8 several times. Well, the entire book is worth multiple studies. I Cor 6:9 gives a list of the kinds of people that will not enter hesaven, but that only truly applies to dying as that person in those sins. As is the general theme in most of Romans, if you live by the flesh you die by the flesh. But, I digress. I mostly come to PF for the political meme thread. lol. And Slice is one of the very few people on this forum I'd get into serious duscussions with, and have. He sticks true to his word if you want discuss and exhange beliefs without arguing. We have as much in common as we do differences.

My last take on this is Trump a good christian thing, is that you can call something out as it appears to be without casting judgement. And that applies to anyone.
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The way that I see God is that if we love Him, we won't want to sin. I have been lucky enough that I have lived a very clean life because I just don't enjoy sinning (not perfect, no one is). However, I still want to welcome those that have NOT lived a pure life and are trying to turn their life around. I don't feel superiority or any other aspect in that regard.

However, if you are NOT even trying to follow God or make yourself a better person, that is an issue.

To me, I feel like God looks more at your reasoning (i.e. heart) and why you are doing something rather than what you are doing. In a lot of ways, I think that is the most FAIR way to evaluate people. I imagine that it is tough being a person that did terrible things but has changed their life and they really and truly want to move on from that. I think it is FAIR that God forgives people and erases our past mistakes if we are sincere in our desire to be better.
 
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GVF said:
People forget one thing. Trump does acknowledge God to the point he says he has faith. As Mojo said, he's not real good at showing it, and there plenty of merit to that observation. But, do we know what's really on the inside. Maybe he's got a internal flaw in the elevator and it don't go to the top floor...but he's trying to be his best. Who knows. But when no one sin is greater than the other, except for blasphemy, how do you deal with that as a human. Judging other people flaws as a flawed person is a rabbit hole.

In the paraphrased words of christ to his apostles...if someone is speaking for me how can they be against me...was the answer they got when they asked if they should go silence the man that was 'preaching' somewhat or slightly flawed teachings. Which is a different animal that discerning false prophets that disguise themselves.
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Oh please.

Trump CLAIMS to be a Christian to get votes and pats on the back, applause. He doesn't say that out of the least bit of sincerity.
 
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To those who say its wrong to judge his belief system or how sincere he is, I'd agree, except that Trump promotes it for personal and political gain. When someone does that, not only do I think we are justified in evaluating the claim, but I think in fact we have a responsibility to do so, to keep him from misleading others.

Christians should not only rebuke Trump for his false piety, they ought to be warning their other believers not to fall for it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
To those who say its wrong to judge his belief system or how sincere he is, I'd agree, except that Trump promotes it for personal and political gain. When someone does that, not only do I think we are justified in evaluating the claim, but I think in fact we have a responsibility to do so, to keep him from misleading others.

Christians should not only rebuke Trump for his false piety, they ought to be warning their other believers not to fall for it.
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Shouldn't they be doing the same with Biden?
 
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GVF said:
There is a higher calling than elected secular offices anyway. Jesus instructed that you were IN the world, not OF the world. If you want to make a difference as a christian you do it with boots on the ground.
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Step one. Be known by your fruits.
Step two. Be prepared to be judged by the standards you impose upon others.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh please.

Trump CLAIMS to be a Christian to get votes and pats on the back, applause. He doesn't say that out of the least bit of sincerity.
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Biden is a super catholic.
And you **** strawberries earlier today. That would be more believable. All and I mean all political figures use religion to appeal to the masses
 
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GVF said:
People forget one thing. Trump does acknowledge God to the point he says he has faith. As Mojo said, he's not real good at showing it, and there plenty of merit to that observation. But, do we know what's really on the inside. Maybe he's got a internal flaw in the elevator and it don't go to the top floor...but he's trying to be his best. Who knows. But when no one sin is greater than the other, except for blasphemy, how do you deal with that as a human. Judging other people flaws as a flawed person is a rabbit hole.

In the paraphrased words of christ to his apostles...if someone is speaking for me how can they be against me...was the answer they got when they asked if they should go silence the man that was 'preaching' somewhat or slightly flawed teachings. Which is a different animal that discerning false prophets that disguise themselves.
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The efforts some of you make to rationalize Trump is pathetic, regardless of the subject. For the record, when he was asked was his favorite Bible verse was, Trump couldn't answer. Just like when he was asked about a favorite book. And for facks sake, the clown was recently trying to sell BIBLES. Rationalizing Trump's behavior = the dumbing down of America
 
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