Poll: If you are a Trump supporter, do you consider him to be a “good Christian?”

Is Donald Trump someone you would call/consider a “good Christian?”

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 6.1%
  • No

    Votes: 67 58.3%
  • I like pie

    Votes: 31 27.0%
  • Turbo just vote here and save everyone time

    Votes: 10 8.7%

  • Total voters
    115
Oh please.

Trump CLAIMS to be a Christian to get votes and pats on the back, applause. He doesn't say that out of the least bit of sincerity.

Again, no one is voting for Trump because he IS a Christian (or not, much less a good one) but because of WHAT HE DOES for Christians, or at least what they expect him to do.

Bush Sr and GW Bush sold their personal piety and look where that got us when it came to governing on things Christians care about.

To quote a source I am sure as a progressive, LG, you are familiar with - "it doesnt matter if the cat is white or black, only that it catches mice."
 
The efforts some of you make to rationalize Trump is pathetic, regardless of the subject. For the record, when he was asked was his favorite Bible verse was, Trump couldn't answer. Just like when he was asked about a favorite book. And for facks sake, the clown was recently trying to sell BIBLES. Rationalizing Trump's behavior = the dumbing down of America
If you think I'm trying to rationalize him, you are not a good reader.
 
I personally don’t like the term “Christian “ as it doesn’t really describe a follower of the Jesus of history. Most are at odds with his teachings, instead using a false interpretation (my opinion) of Paul. I call them “pauliethiest”. For people who say they follow messiah I go with “believers”.


That’s just me. I’m probably way off.
What then is the true interpretation?
 
How so? Is Biden a bigger hypocrite or something?
Interesting question. We don't truly know what is in Trump's heart, and whether or not he has been truly repentant since his affairs (or whatever sins he has committed). No one knows. By the same token. does Biden seek the Lord's forgiveness every time he promotes abortion (for starters)? How will he reconcile that on judgement day?
 
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I'm not a Trump supporters so am not voting, of course.

But how 7 people (so far) can answer that yes is astounding. Trump stands for everything Christ taught against.
Wait a minute... he stands for what that is against Christ's teachings? How does your boi's stance on killing babies rank?
 
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Interesting question. We don't truly know what is in Trump's heart, and whether or not he has been truly repentant since his affairs (or whatever sins he has committed). No one knows. By the same token. does Biden seek the Lord's forgiveness every time he promotes abortion (for starters)? How will he reconcile that on judgement day?
Spot on. And thanks for playing.
 
The standard is not perfection. Lord (literally) knows we will all fall well short of that. Sort of the point, if you ask me.

But, there is a difference between falling short versus using claimed religious piety on the one hand -- to get get votes, applause, or money, -- while taking obviously contrary action on the other, which I would hope Christian conservative voters would pay a bit more attention to.

Its similar to the preachers who earned themselves many million but who we know in retrospect used religion as a tool for their own avarice. It is not too big of a leap to say that Trump embodies the "Look over here, not over there!" flashy sort of charisma that embodies.

Fact is, people want to believe that someone is looking out for them. I get it. We all want a champion. I just don;t think Trump is sincere when that is what he claims.
 
The standard is not perfection. Lord (literally) knows we will all fall well short of that. Sort of the point, if you ask me.

But, there is a difference between falling short versus using claimed religious piety on the one hand -- to get get votes, applause, or money, -- while taking obviously contrary action on the other, which I would hope Christian conservative voters would pay a bit more attention to.

Its similar to the preachers who earned themselves many million but who we know in retrospect used religion as a tool for their own avarice. It is not too big of a leap to say that Trump embodies the "Look over here, not over there!" flashy sort of charisma that embodies.

Fact is, people want to believe that someone is looking out for them. I get it. We all want a champion. I just don;t think Trump is sincere when that is what he claims.

I agree with most of this but it’s laughable that you are trying to single out Trump and refuse to acknowledge Biden is no different in this regard.
 
The standard is not perfection. Lord (literally) knows we will all fall well short of that. Sort of the point, if you ask me.

But, there is a difference between falling short versus using claimed religious piety on the one hand -- to get get votes, applause, or money, -- while taking obviously contrary action on the other, which I would hope Christian conservative voters would pay a bit more attention to.

Its similar to the preachers who earned themselves many million but who we know in retrospect used religion as a tool for their own avarice. It is not too big of a leap to say that Trump embodies the "Look over here, not over there!" flashy sort of charisma that embodies.

Fact is, people want to believe that someone is looking out for them. I get it. We all want a champion. I just don;t think Trump is sincere when that is what he claims.
Interesting. So if he is, as you believe, insincere does that mean he is a bigger hypocrite than Puddinpants is in the eye of the Lord? Does it matter? I challenge you to find a consistent stance/agenda that is in direct contradiction to God's teachings to the degree that the left's abortion stance is. Convince me. I have an open mind. Your platform is in direct conflict to those teachings. Convince me that it isn't.
 
I suggest that you read and research and decide for yourself.
I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.
You can share what you think it is if you like.
I'm interested in what it is that you believe is the falsity in the interpretation. I can't research what I don't understand in that regard.

I'm pretty new at this by the way.
 
To those who say its wrong to judge his belief system or how sincere he is, I'd agree, except that Trump promotes it for personal and political gain. When someone does that, not only do I think we are justified in evaluating the claim, but I think in fact we have a responsibility to do so, to keep him from misleading others.

Christians should not only rebuke Trump for his false piety, they ought to be warning their other believers not to fall for it.
Judge the action, not the man LG.
 
Interesting. So if he is, as you believe, insincere does that mean he is a bigger hypocrite than Puddinpants is in the eye of the Lord? Does it matter? I challenge you to find a consistent stance/agenda that is in direct contradiction to God's teachings to the degree that the left's abortion stance is. Convince me. I have an open mind. Your platform is in direct conflict to those teachings. Convince me that it isn't.
You're extremely deluded to believe you have an open mind. Your posts are clearly in contradiction with that claim. Laughably too
 
I'm interested in what it is that you believe is the falsity in the interpretation. I can't research what I don't understand in that regard.

I'm pretty new at this by the way.
No problem.
Here’s my problem with your question. I don’t know what your interpretation of any particular verse is. That’s why I clarified with the (my opinion). So I’ve poorly communicated as on this issue, biblical interpretation, I believe that my opinion of what you believe is irrelevant in your judgement. That will be between you and your creator. Now if you have a specific verse you want to throw at me and have me tell you what I think, before I know what you think then I’m good with playing that game.
I’m going to tag you in another location with an example of something in just a few minutes.
 
So you're saying MAGA man isn't any different than a Biden supporter?
Now, this is a wagon I can help pull. Oink has never been more right about anything than this.

As to the thread question, Trumpie isn't a Christian by his own admission, despite faked being when he saw it suited his poll numbers and vote-ability. If there's an honest MAGA (as if), you'd watch The Family right up until Trump is interviewed on the vid.

As for Christians, there are precious few these days. Most folks, no matter what denomination, cherry-pick verses that advocate what they WANT to believe, as opposed to what the religion ACTUALLY teaches. Then get all holy roller about it. A massive number, for example, figure that having been baptized, they're free to sin at their heart's content without fear of Godly penalty. You know, the once saved always saved faction. They totally ignore both Jesus' and Paul’s blunt statements to the contrary. The other part of that problem is that churches have traditionally mistaught the Bible. They take a piece of chapter and verse here, a piece there, instead teaching what the book genre segments say in context. Yeah, the Good Book has genre segments, cause it is a collection of writings targeting specific populations at the time. Sadly, Christians people are brainwashed to read it piecemeal rather than its complete segments in entirety. Know what's funny? Jesus Himself never quoted chapter and verse, He simply said, "It is written...." Just like a student (yeah they had those back then) would in literature, or history class when asked about an author, theme, POV, or other text related question. But if you dare suggest reading the Bible within its historical, social, era, political, religious, governmental, and other relevant context, you're branded the devil incarnate. Cause you messed with what they WANT to believe, dayum what is ACTUALLY being said. So if there are any true Christians these days, they're precious few of them. They want their cake (salvation) and to keep sinning (eat it) too. Feel safe to hate, denigrate, and worse, without Godly penalty, while claiming to be holy. A cherished pastime for such pseudo-Christians.
 
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Now, this is a wagon I can help pull. Oink has never been more right about anything than this.

As to the thread question, Trumpie isn't a Christian by his own admission, despite faked being when he saw it suited his poll numbers and vote-ability. If there's an honest MAGA (as if), you'd watch The Family right up until Trump is interviewed on the vid.

As for Christians, there are precious few these days. Most folks, no matter what denomination, cherry-pick verses that advocate what they WANT to believe, as opposed to what the religion ACTUALLY teaches. Then get all holy roller about it. A massive number, for example, figure that having been baptized, they're free to sin at their heart's content without fear of Godly penalty. You know, the once saved always saved faction. They totally ignore both Jesus' and Paul’s blunt statements to the contrary. The other part of that problem is that churches have traditionally mistaught the Bible. They take a piece of chapter and verse here, a piece there, instead teaching what the book genre segments say in context. Yeah, the Good Book has genre segments, cause it is a collection of writings target specific populations at the time. Sadly, Christians people are brainwashed to read it piecemeal rather than its complete segments in entirety. Know what's funny? Jesus Himself never quoted chapter and verse, He simply said, "It is written...." Just like a student (yeah they had those back then) would in literature, or history class when asked about an author, theme, POV, or other text related question. But if you dare suggest reading the Bible within its historical, social, era, political, religious, governmental, and other relevant context, you're branded the devil incarnate. Cause you messed with what they WANT to believe, dayum what is ACTUALLY being said. So if there are any true Christians these days, they're precious few of them. They want their cake (salvation) and to keep sinning (eat it) too. Feel safe to hate, denigrate, and worse, without Godly penalty, while claiming to be holy. A cherished pastime for such pseudo-Christians.

Wow, a lot of truth in that last paragraph. Notably the use of verses instead of the full books is a big one. The letters of Paul (which make up basically Romans to Philemon) as well as the other letters that finish off the New Testament were all intended to be read in one sitting and not in Chapter/Verses.

The sad truth is that people don't really believe that God exists and watches/judges their actions. If they considered that God was watching them all the time, they would take things very seriously.

The said thing about both Biden and Trump is that they are both near their death bed and neither (by actions) seems to really be taking advantage of their last few years on Earth to glorified God or take care of their soul.
 
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Wow, a lot of truth in that last paragraph. Notably the use of verses instead of the full books is a big one. The letters of Paul (which make up basically Romans to Philemon) as well as the other letters that finish off the New Testament were all intended to be read in one sitting and not in Chapter/Verses.

The sad truth is that people don't really believe that God exists and watches/judges their actions. If they considered that God was watching them all the time, they would take things very seriously.

The said thing about both Biden and Trump is that they are both near their death bed and neither (by actions) seems to really be taking advantage of their last few years on Earth to glorified God or take care of their soul.
Its always funny to me that people don't understand the letters were legitimately letters written to the Whomever's. addressed specifically to them, and specific issues they were dealing with.
 
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Its always funny to me that people don't understand the letters were legitimately letters written to the Whomever's. addressed specifically to them, and specific issues they were dealing with.

The key reason they are in the Bible is that the letters do teach lessons to us via the example of the people at the time. You shouldn't write them off but read them in full context.

The second half of Romans 1 lists a massive laundry lists of sins and cites hey are "worthy of death" but then follows-up with context on the fact that we have hope for salvation from these sins through Jesus and gets into the story of the gospel. You can't just read Romans in 1-2 chapters but the full context.
 
The key reason they are in the Bible is that the letters do teach lessons to us via the example of the people at the time. You shouldn't write them off but read them in full context.

The second half of Romans 1 lists a massive laundry lists of sins and cites hey are "worthy of death" but then follows-up with context on the fact that we have hope for salvation from these sins through Jesus and gets into the story of the gospel. You can't just read Romans in 1-2 chapters but the full context.
agreed. wasn't dismissing them at all. just the complete lack of understanding about the context of what they are.
 

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