Poll: Should Jonathan Skrmetti sue the NCAA? (He did)

[madbamahater]

It is now, but it was not in 2022. That’s what they’re going after people for.

So, fast forward to 2024, they are retroactively going back to 2021 and the allegation is that a staff member personally coordinated everything? Again, what is the actual allegation or allegations? I guess I'm just missing the whole thing.

Plowman is stating they opporated within the space of following the rules. Most of the time a school says things like we are happy to assist and cooperate with the investigation and THIS IS NOT Plowman's stance this time.

 

[madbamahater]

If that is indeed the case, then why did Plowman state “Not one University of Tennessee employee has been named as committing any NIL violation” in her letter. It seems that if there was someone doing such coordination, that a staffer would have been named in their allegations.

Have they received an official notice of allegations from the NCAA? This could be more about the donor side and season ticket holders making contributions to the collective. If so, how the hell does that fall on UT staff? UT staff can't manage a private company and their contractual agreements with clients and participants....

The whole thing is a damn mess. The NCAA did not act accordingly in the beginning and have been slow to do anything, it's the wild west. I just find it interesting that all of this is coming out for Tennessee right after a certain coach announces retirement.

 

[OrangeEtBlanc]

Have they received an official notice of allegations from the NCAA? This could be more about the donor side and season ticket holders making contributions to the collective. If so, how the hell does that fall on UT staff? UT staff can't manage a private company and their contractual agreements with clients and participants....

The whole thing is a damn mess. The NCAA did not act accordingly in the beginning and have been slow to do anything, it's the wild west. I just find it interesting that all of this is coming out for Tennessee right after a certain coach announces retirement.

Nothing official, but Plowman references allegations stemming from a meeting with “enforcement staff.” So, there was apparently a meeting, but no staffer named in said meeting? Just strange.

“Earlier today, a team from the University of Tennessee met with members of your enforcement staff to discuss allegations the NCAA intends to bring against Tennessee related to NIL. We appreciate your staff listening to our arguments and agreeing to evaluate them. The NCAA’s allegations are factually untrue and procedurally flawed.”

 

[madbamahater]

Nothing official, but Plowman references allegations stemming from a meeting with “enforcement staff.” So, there was apparently a meeting, but no staffer named in said meeting? Just strange.

“Earlier today, a team from the University of Tennessee met with members of your enforcement staff to discuss allegations the NCAA intends to bring against Tennessee related to NIL. We appreciate your staff listening to our arguments and agreeing to evaluate them. The NCAA’s allegations are factually untrue and procedurally flawed.”

The last sentence in this quote sounds like she is unwaveringly confident in what she stated and even seems deservedly pissed off

 

[Exiled]

Someone on the staff was coordinating communication, offers, and transportation arrangements between the coaches and Spyre is the allegation. Which was illegal then

Where is that allegation written? I would like to read it. Thx.

 

[madbamahater]

We’re already on probation. We have to say that. We did the same thing several other collectives did, but it was still illegal under the rules.

Same with FSU, the staffer drove a recruit to see the collective so they could work out a deal. And they just got hit with pretty hefty penalties.

It’s like speeding, sure everyone is speeding, but if you are the only one that gets pulled over, you were still doing something illegal.

One more thing. The Supreme Court ruled the old rules violated antitrust laws for student athletes to get paid. The high court basically invalidated all the rules with the 2021 decision. Even when state law changed in 2022, the high court 2021 decision invalidates everything.

FSU needs to join Tennessee and others in litigation

 

[PastorVolFan]

Where is that allegation written? I would like to read it. Thx.

Sources: Vols again under NCAA investigation

 

[MontyPython]

If Plowman's statements are accurate, the NCAA may be hanging itself on its own petard. It is - once again - attempting to regulate commerce over which it really has no authority, and will likely get reamed in court for retroactively applying it's new "rules". Plowman's comments are surprisingly shrill and provocative, and I doubt she'd be so forceful if we had actually wronged the system.

RIP NCAA? Fine by me.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Sue the NCAA for sexual assault in a Brentwood dressing room. Slam dunk case.

 

[madbamahater]

Plowman's reaction was almost as if she expected this to happen.....hum, I wonder why? She knows the game, she understands there is hypocrisy and corruptness within the NCAA and their puppet masters....

 

[madbamahater]

Look no further than beyond this bunch of trailer park folk. This was 2 decades ago. Before all of this, it was just expected to accept Bubbas corruption that has existed since Bear. Bear started it all, the most corrupt coach of all time. Once Saban was hired, it was like the old days all over again. Bear was invincible and Saban was invincible.

Vols' Fulmer skips media day to avoid subpoena

Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer will not attend this week's SEC media days after learning that attorneys in a lawsuit against the NCAA plan to subpoena him at the event in Alabama.

www.espn.com

 

[tobybeast]

She has every reason to be pissed off. The NCAA has taken a stand of "guilty until proven innocent" and throws out allegations expecting unwavering responses from colleges. It's extortion and a desperately sad attempt to stay relevant for the NCAA.

 

[kcvols1]

Protecting the rights of citizens of his state to earn a living is not fulfilling his duties to his citizens? I think this is obligation of his....

A presumption of innocence should be awarded to the University and its student athletes. The NCAA is slandering and besmirching all entities, which is harmful to their brand(s) at a minimum.

Those are valid concerns certainly, but this is a $20MM legal problem being appropriately handled by engaged litigants and whatever court this ends up in.

It’s a big deal, but not as high a priority as defending the State of Tennessee in every action filed against it and any of its dozens of administrative agencies employing a budget approaching $60 Billion.

Dassa lotta pie to say grace over and be a politician besides.

So, point is, NIL is important, but things like the legal implications of the interface of the State of TN, TVA, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission are important too. Maybe more so.

 

[DooleyOrangePants]

The NCAA has told congress to do something about NIL. Congress keeps doing nothing, so, I think the NCAA is trying to force their hand.

Fine, you won’t make any rules, we’ll dish out punishment and force congress to get involved. I’m guessing they hit Ohio, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Louisiana, California, Oklahoma, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Oregon, etc until these congress people have to take action or the super league forms

Congress doing anything on this issue defies logic. No win situation for them with no clear benefit to them on the one thing they care about the most- their next election. Someone like the NCAA can promise money, but when you alienate an overwhelming majority of your constituents, what’s the point in voting yourself out of a job?

Besides, they already know the Supreme Court’s general demeanor towards the entire NIL question.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

There were rules broken supposedly. We were doing the same thing every other collective was doing. But, we had some loud mouth people basically bragging about what they did to get Nico here, and the NCAA got involved.

The football program was not allowed to have any contact or coordination with Spyre prior to 2023. Nico was being recruited before the rules changed, and the football program was coordinating with Spyre. Hence the issue. It’s legal now since the rule changed, but was illegal then. But, if they start looking, everyone was doing it, which is why the rule changed

There wasn’t rules broken. There was zero guidelines at the time. We actually contacted the NCAA to ask for guidance and they had none. Then when they make up the rule, the NCAA tries to retroactively punish the school.

 

[LadyVolette]

What specific rules are you stating the university knowingly broke? The Chancellor stated no rules were broken.....

Exactly, I think Donde knows more about the situation than any of us

 

[bigorangedude]

Have they received an official notice of allegations from the NCAA? This could be more about the donor side and season ticket holders making contributions to the collective. If so, how the hell does that fall on UT staff? UT staff can't manage a private company and their contractual agreements with clients and participants....

The whole thing is a damn mess. The NCAA did not act accordingly in the beginning and have been slow to do anything, it's the wild west. I just find it interesting that all of this is coming out for Tennessee right after a certain coach announces retirement.

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I just find it interesting that all of this is coming out for Tennessee right after a certain coach announces retirement."

That's the first thing that crossed my mind upon hearing the news yesterday.

 

[LadyVolette]

Look no further than beyond this bunch of trailer park folk. This was 2 decades ago. Before all of this, it was just expected to accept Bubbas corruption that has existed since Bear. Bear started it all, the most corrupt coach of all time. Once Saban was hired, it was like the old days all over again. Bear was invincible and Saban was invincible.

Vols' Fulmer skips media day to avoid subpoena

Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer will not attend this week's SEC media days after learning that attorneys in a lawsuit against the NCAA plan to subpoena him at the event in Alabama.

www.espn.com

I know, that’s who I suspect too

 

[LadyVolette]

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That's the first thing that crossed my mind upon hearing the news yesterday.

The timing is uncanny

 

[sigmundoooz]

Someone on the staff was coordinating communication, offers, and transportation arrangements between the coaches and Spyre is the allegation. Which was illegal then

I think you are jumping to conclusions. I heard an interview a few weeks ago with one of the top people at Spyre and he stated that they could not coordinate with the school. Furthermore, they knew they could not and were not coordinating with the school. You are essentially calling that person a liar and making a false allegation unless you have some sort of direct involvement or knowledge of the actions of the Spyre group.

 

[utvolpj]

 

[MemphisVol77]

I think you are jumping to conclusions. I heard an interview a few weeks ago with one of the top people at Spyre and he stated that they could not coordinate with the school. Furthermore, they knew they could not and were not coordinating with the school. You are essentially calling that person a liar and making a false allegation unless you have some sort of direct involvement or knowledge of the actions of the Spyre group.

He doesn't, he's just been speculating.

Given Spyre and Plowman's immediate rebutal letters, Plowman and Spyre know the NCAA doesn't have anything.

Someone gave a reporter a tip about Plowman's spectacular F-You rebuttal letter, and said repeater used a FOI request to leak it. That's how this story broke.

Plowman isn't an idiot, she knows all possible FOI phone and computer records are going to or have already been requested.

 

[I4Vols]

And when will we hear some response from the SEC office in Birmingham? Is St Nick on vacation and they are waiting to hear from him regarding what to say and do?

I used a blue font, but I'm not sure if that is appropriate, as I have zero trust in the SEC leadership, starting at the very top. If Ms Plowman is as smart as we hope, she will understand that as well and, regarding the SEC HQ people, you must “Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.”

 

[ButchPlz]

He doesn't, he's just been speculating.

Given Spyre and Plowman's immediate rebutal letters, Plowman and Spyre know the NCAA doesn't have anything.

Someone gave a reporter a tip about Plowman's spectacular F-You rebuttal letter, and said repeater used a FOI request to leak it. That's how this story broke.

Plowman isn't an idiot, she knows all possible FOI phone and computer records are going to or have already been requested.

Not just immediate, but forceful and immediate.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Sources: Vols again under NCAA investigation

Nothing in that article, or anywhere else outside of one poster on here, says that the NCAA is claiming someone on staff coordinated with Spyre in a way that was against NCAA rules. Plowman's response makes it clear that the allegations the NCAA presented to them do not involve UT staff.