Poll: Tennessee's Base Color Scheme and the Use of Alternate Uniforms

What is your opinion of Tennessee’s color scheme and the use of alternate uniforms?


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#76
#76
We ain't the Tenn. of Gen. Neyland's day. We need all the gimmicks that we can come up with. If we didn't need "enhancements" we wouldn't need the $50 mil football complex or planned new athletic dorm. Until we have a steady stream of 4 and 5 star recruits committing each year we need every edge we can get. Why do you think Butch is "doing everything right"? Foundation Day, meeting and smoozing the parents, cookouts, tweeting nite and day, etc. If we really want to win, we must leave no stone unturned, it's all in and nothing's sacred or you can whine "please don't change my litttle orange and white unis" or everthing's on the table. This is big business and when a change is made, the new CEO is allowed to made whatever changes need to be made to right the ship.

U don't change the name or the formula. If u think that an overhaul of our uniforms is needed to right the ship u are naive. There are way to many issues and that's the least of them.

We don't need to "fundamentally transform" UT Obama-style. Our heritage and traditions (uni's a big part of it) is what we have and keeps us able to have a chance of getting back on top. Lose that core and we are no longer UT. Point blank.

Oregan needed the gimmick to get themselves where they r cause they had no real tradition in CFB. The flashy Nike uni's aren't doing anything special for Miami. They could go old-school and still be where they r now.
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#78
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bammer has trailer trash who yell something stupid about yeller hammers and they've been winning once in a while lately... what do you want? invite Flo-Rida to write us a new fight song?

and you can take a flying leap if you think we can't win like bammer... we've done it in the past and can do it again... and I enjoy having an orange butt, orange ears, orange heart and orange blood!

Quit apologizing for being Orange and Tennessee!

Hahahaha! We have never won like Bama in the last 43 years. I have been watching. I'm not trying to say abandon the orange and white, just move a little more into the 21st century so the rest of the country doesn't realize what a bunch of hillbillies we really are. If you don't mind being a joke then go right ahead and keep everything the same forever.
 
#81
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For those of you who may be suffering from a bit of “uniform thread fatigue,” I began this thread with the hope of deriving some kind of quantifiable data from the endless debate that has occurred in other threads on this topic. And, even with a “limited number of precincts reporting,” I believe that there are a few discernible conclusions which can be drawn:

(1) Very few contributors to Vol Nation are advocating radical change or, at least, very few perceive themselves as advocating radical change.

(2) Options 4-6 represent varying degrees of what I consider to be a traditionalist perspective on Tennessee’s color scheme and the possible use of alternate uniforms. They represent almost half of all votes cast and, collectively, oppose anything more dramatic than subtle stylistic change to existing color schemes and uniform combinations.

(3) The block of voters who favor at least one alternate uniform per season (ca. 44%) is the largest single segment of the populace. Unfortunately, this option is also the most difficult to define with precision. As discourse on other threads richly attests, advocates of alternate uniforms vary widely in the degree to which their proposals differ from existing color schemes and uniform combinations. In short, we are almost evenly divided between advocates of traditionalism and those who favor the addition of alternate uniforms to our existing repertoire. Based on the unending debate pertaining to the topic, this schism is hardly surprising but it is now clearly quantified.

As for my personal opinion on the matter, I will simply reiterate what I have stated elsewhere. Butch Jones has said that you can walk into any high school in the country, clad in Tennessee regalia, and they will know instantaneously who you represent. That is a profoundly strong, and accurate, example of the functional role of stylistic marker traits as an expression of group identity. Personal experience further corroborates his position. On a return trip from Montana, I walked into the airport in Kalispell and a baggage handler spotted my Tennessee orange fleece jacket. Without my saying a word, he stated "you guys are a long way from home."

Few universities in the country have a more distinctive color scheme than Tennessee. Radical change would, over time, weaken that association, both in terms of public perception and, more importantly, the Big Orange Nation. Strident advocates of change often champion Oregon’s ensemble of uniforms as an example that we should follow. Oregon, however, had no significant history of sustained success in football prior to the last decade or so. Therefore, a host of uniform combinations, ones that pushed the proverbial fashion envelope in college regalia, became a branding mechanism, one that set them apart as different before their onfield success really began to take root.

Finally, it should be possible to respectfully engage each other on a topic about which we profoundly disagree. Unfortunately, if there is one generalization that I believe is warranted, based on dialogue in this thread and others pertaining to Tennessee uniforms, it is that the most strident advocates of change are the least tolerant of opposing viewpoints and the most critical of a conservative or traditional perspective on the matter.
 
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#82
#82
i don't mind a few subtle changes,but UT is orange and white and should be for years to come,i also wouldn't mind 1 game a year for some freaky uniforms,but no more,the halloween uniforms looked like crap
 
#83
#83
Hahahaha! We have never won like Bama in the last 43 years. I have been watching. I'm not trying to say abandon the orange and white, just move a little more into the 21st century so the rest of the country doesn't realize what a bunch of hillbillies we really are. If you don't mind being a joke then go right ahead and keep everything the same forever.

:jpshakehead:

Self deprecating Tennesseans.... I'll never understand it.

Maybe you should worry less about what someone else thinks and develop your own sense of self worth.
 
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#84
#84
If the worst thing that CBJ ever does is screw up the away uniforms, I will be elated. Winning has a way of making such things irrelevant, but this is very upsetting.
 
#85
#85
I'm a 3 with the exception of the color scheme being "OK". the scheme is "the best" but still would like to see an alternate now and then based from it.
 
#87
#87
I never said that. You did however say that in order to keep recruiting, we needed to update our uniforms. I countered that by saying that Alabama is recruiting well enough to win 3 of the past 4 NC's all while being even less innovative than us on the uniform front.

As for my reasons for not wanting to change the uniforms, it has nothing to do with being afraid. I just think UT has a classy distinct look and 99% of the "new age" uniforms just look tacky and low-rent.

Covers my thoughts. Id pick 1 right now. After that Id be cool with going back to a legit orange instead of burnt yellow.

On the side note, if 1 happens recruiting will take off and stay that way.
 
#88
#88
None of the above. I LOVE our orange, and also would enjoy different color uniforms to make the orange more noticeable.
 
#89
#89
As to the uniforms, I voted 1. The uniform argument has been silly from both sides.

The traditionalist side wants to wear the same thing from now until the end of time. They act as though it is the only uniform the Vols have ever worn, and that is simply not true. The tradition of wearing only orange and white really was from the days of black and white video. When opponents watched game film, they complained it was hard to read the numbers, and someone at Tennessee decided to keep it that way to continue the confusion.

Personally, I find that a bit cowardly. I would rather accent the number so we can, in the future, say, "This is Jalen Hurd. This is his number, and we are going to run him right down your throat. You can't stop him. Now, here is Paulk. This is his number, and we are going to run him this way and that, and you can't catch him.

Now, the alternate crowd wants to play catch up with Oregon and Maryland. Many of the concept uniform I have seen look horrid. Checkerboards on the uniforms? Really? It may look good in the end zone, but on uniforms, it looks a little silly.

I have seen one mock-up of a Tennessee uniform that, in my opinion, looks pretty good. It looked alot like the classic New York Jets uniform, but the arm stripes were slightly different widths. Around the numbers and anywhere else where Tennessee orange meets white, there is the thinnest border of black to contrast one from another. Looked to be about half the width that the current away jerseys have around the numbers. It did not have the state of Tennessee patch that is being planned, but it would fit.

I hope they eventually do something like that, because I think alternate uniforms are comical. It is time for an update that looks good even to people that hate Tennessee. Keep it clean, keep it classy, but give it enough flash to be a bigger positive.

Most importantly, whatever they wear, win.
 
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#90
#90
Absolutely love Tennessee orange, but definitely give me option 3. Some of the suggested uniforms I've seen on this site are very cool. I also agree that having an alternate uniform does not hinder tradition. The tradition I'd really like to get back to is winning. Losing very much jeopardizes our tradition far more than uniform changes.

And i'm in the older generation "over 50" demographic.
 
#91
#91
U don't change the name or the formula. If u think that an overhaul of our uniforms is needed to right the ship u are naive. There are way to many issues and that's the least of them.

We don't need to "fundamentally transform" UT Obama-style. Our heritage and traditions (uni's a big part of it) is what we have and keeps us able to have a chance of getting back on top. Lose that core and we are no longer UT. Point blank.

Oregan needed the gimmick to get themselves where they r cause they had no real tradition in CFB. The flashy Nike uni's aren't doing anything special for Miami. They could go old-school and still be where they r now.
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Typical Dooley lover post. Against updating unis for the same reasons he thought we should keep Dooley, slipped in an Obama dig, and misspelled Oregon all in one post. :eek:lol:
 
#92
#92
I'm a 3 with the exception of the color scheme being "OK". the scheme is "the best" but still would like to see an alternate now and then based from it.


Good point, illvol. Consider Option no. 3 to be edited so as to read "Tennessee's base color scheme is fine/outstanding/great/excellent/the best [take your pick] but I would prefer . . . "
 
#93
#93
I absolutely agree!
I am midforties and feel that our "traditional only" attitude is hurting us. These young kids do not care or even know about our history. They see the uniform for what it is. A uniform. Yes the colors are a symbol and the "power T"
is our brand. Beyond the core color and symbol we dont have to be such by the book traditionalists. These kids like flash and spark. They are drawn to the edgy. Heck they customize everything from clothes, to cars to the cases for the phones. That doesnt mean I like it, but a realist says they do. When it comes to recruiting and national image... it does matter. The truth of the matter is that our uniforms and image has gotten stale and a bit boring. I love the vols and our tradition and I find them a bit drab, so an uncommitted recruit certainly will too.
And to the nay sayers, Yes BAMA hasnt changed their unis...blah, blah , blah. They also are winning right now. Their W's sell them. In business if your sales go flat, you come up with advertising schemes to bring in the recruits.
The right answer is look in your own closet. If you have not updated your own attire in the last thirty years then you probably look the part and no one is going to find it a particularly appealing.
Give the kids what they want. let them put on the cool new jersey on signing day and impress their friends.
More intrest is just that....more interest.
We need it.
 
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You know what would be awesome....yet another thread that talks about UT's uniforms, how they need alternates, how the black jerseys were cool, and that Nike is better than Adidas.

what you are so elegantly demonstrating in your argument is that there is a persistent level of discontentment in the stagnancy of our image.
If the topic keeps surfacing maybe it should be addressed.
 
#96
#96
2 2 2 2 2 2 2 and again 2. If we want to keep recruiting we need to update. Sorry to disappoint but I'm not in the under 25 group. Just turned 60. If we wore this uniform at Oregon, we would be all over ESPN win or lose and recruits would love it. I've been looking at those orange and white unis for over 40 years and they are getting boring. Remember we are trying to get a bunch of 17 and 18 year olds to commit to play for us and they don't know about tradition and most get their news from Twitter for Gods sake. Wouldn't it be great to have Tennessee referred to in a positive light in the national media for a change.

this is spot on and for the record I am 46.
 
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what you are so elegantly demonstrating in your argument is that there is a persistent level of discontentment in the stagnancy of our image.
If the topic keeps surfacing maybe it should be addressed.

That'd be awesome, except it's been addressed several times, ESPECIALLY the Nike issue. It's more like those who keep bringing it up just don't like the answers.

Not to mention the "level of discontentment" has never been proven to be anymore than a minority of fans, so I fail to see why it needs that much addressing. We're getting uniform tweaks, and an alternate, yet I can already tell those that keep crowing about needing new uniforms are not going to be satisfied.

Plus, you pretty much missed the point of my post; that new threads keep getting created that are saying the exact same thing as the last thread, so creating the new thread is pointless and redundant.
 
#98
#98
I absolutely agree!
I am midforties and feel that our "traditional only" attitude is hurting us. These young kids do not care or even know about our history. They see the uniform for what it is. A uniform. Yes the colors are a symbol and the "power T"
is our brand. Beyond the core color and symbol we dont have to be such by the book traditionalists. These kids like flash and spark. They are drawn to the edgy. Heck they customize everything from clothes, to cars to the cases for the phones. That doesnt mean I like it, but a realist says they do. When it comes to recruiting and national image... it does matter. The truth of the matter is that our uniforms and image has gotten stale and a bit boring. I love the vols and our tradition and I find them a bit drab, so an uncommitted recruit certainly will too.
And to the nay sayers, Yes BAMA hasnt changed their unis...blah, blah , blah. They also are winning right now. Their W's sell them. In business if your sales go flat, you come up with advertising schemes to bring in the recruits.
The right answer is look in your own closet. If you have not updated your own attire in the last thirty years then you probably look the part and no one is going to find it a particularly appealing.
Give the kids what they want. let them put on the cool new jersey on signing day and impress their friends.
More intrest is just that....more interest.
We need it.

You can't post what recruits want then disregard the example of Alabama. They sucked in the mid to late 90s and early 2000s, and didn't radically change their look. According to you and others, that's exactly what they should have done, yet they didn't and they've won 3 out of 4 NCs.

So basically they disprove your notion.

In fact, again, I ask other than Oregon, who has had success in radically changing their look? The past 20 or so national champions all have had the same basic look for a very long time, with subtle changes and an occasional alternate.
 
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That'd be awesome, except it's been addressed several times, ESPECIALLY the Nike issue. It's more like those who keep bringing it up just don't like the answers.

Not to mention the "level of discontentment" has never been proven to be anymore than a minority of fans, so I fail to see why it needs that much addressing. We're getting uniform tweaks, and an alternate, yet I can already tell those that keep crowing about needing new uniforms are not satisfied.

Plus, you pretty much missed the point of my post; that new threads keep getting created that are saying the exact same thing as the last thread, so creating the new thread is pointless and redundant.

i disagree completely.
previous threads have been posted with mixed opinions and a bunch of belly aching and posturing, but no answers have been achieved and no consensus attained.
This post as presented in poll file is unique, honest, and directly addresses the question in quantifiable terms.
This is called the scientific method.

It provides an answer to what percentage of people feel the discontentment and also describes how aggressive the change is deemed appropriate.
I think it is THE BEST WAY to address the question.

And if you look at the numbers you will see, again, that you are wrong.
The VAST MAJORITY prefer some degree of change and most prefer at least one completely new design.
The discontentment and the stagnancy in our national image is real, and this poll is quantifying it.
Kudos to Volosaurus for the idea.
This is the proper way to obtain real answers.
 
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You can't post what recruits want then disregard the example of Alabama. They sucked in the mid to late 90s and early 2000s, and didn't radically change their look. According to you and others, that's exactly what they should have done, yet they didn't and they've won 3 out of 4 NCs.

So basically they disprove your notion.

In fact, again, I ask other than Oregon, who has had success in radically changing their look? The past 20 or so national champions all have had the same basic look for a very long time, with subtle changes and an occasional alternate.

I expected someone would say this. Uniforms are not going to make someone win or lose.
They merely create interest. It is the law of attraction.
Be more attractive and better players are interested. if they bite, and you have the coaching staff to utilize the talent, then wins will follow.
Alabama did not change their uniforms indeed.
What they did do however was even more radical a change.
They were smart enough (GOD dont strike me for saying smart and BAMA in the same sentence) to do was to buck up and shell out big time money for a big time coach with a history of winning at the college level and in the SEC. They paid top dollar for a national championship winning coach.
That my friend creates excitement and look what it has achieved.
Our AD wont pull the trigger on a pay check for that type of coach, so perhaps we should generate interest in any other medium that we have at our disposal. Exciting uniforms does help, to deny this is naive, kids like the swag.
it is inexpensive, it is effective, and its fun. So what is not to like?
Dont be such a hardline doctrinarian, adding a little spice to your dinner doesnt change the dinner, it just makes it sexier.
and easier to sell.
 
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