Poll: Tennessee's Base Color Scheme and the Use of Alternate Uniforms

What is your opinion of Tennessee’s color scheme and the use of alternate uniforms?

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#101
#101
SobeVol said:
i disagree completely.
previous threads have been posted with mixed opinions and a bunch of belly aching and posturing, but no answers have been achieved and no consensus attained.
This post as presented in poll file is unique, honest, and directly addresses the question in quantifiable terms.
This is called the scientific method.

It provides an answer to what percentage of people feel the discontentment and also describes how aggressive the change is deemed appropriate.
I think it is THE BEST WAY to address the question.

And if you look at the numbers you will see, again, that you are wrong.
The VAST MAJORITY prefer some degree of change and most prefer at least one completely new design.
The discontentment and the stagnancy in our national image is real, and this poll is quantifying it.
Kudos to Volosaurus for the idea.
This is the proper way to obtain real answers.
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scientific method and real answers? Not sure you really understand what you're looking at
 
#103
#103
SobeVol said:
i disagree completely.
previous threads have been posted with mixed opinions and a bunch of belly aching and posturing, but no answers have been achieved and no consensus attained.
This post as presented in poll file is unique, honest, and directly addresses the question in quantifiable terms.
This is called the scientific method.

It provides an answer to what percentage of people feel the discontentment and also describes how aggressive the change is deemed appropriate.
I think it is THE BEST WAY to address the question.

And if you look at the numbers you will see, again, that you are wrong.
The VAST MAJORITY prefer some degree of change and most prefer at least one completely new design.
The discontentment and the stagnancy in our national image is real, and this poll is quantifying it.
Kudos to Volosaurus for the idea.
This is the proper way to obtain real answers.
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I'm not sure you even know how to read results.

171 of the 363 replies (47.1%) want subtle changes or less. You do know what subtle means right? It means the look basically stays the same.

160 of the replies (44%) said one alternate a year. Most of the "traditionalists" have gone on record saying they don't mind this. Only a very few are hardline in nothing changing at all.

Overall the sentiment this poll is giving is generally speaking, at most people want an alternate, but to basically keep the look the same for the majority of the time.

So no, I am not wrong.
 
#104
#104
VolsSportsFan said:
That's pretty evident, not to mention he keeps spouting things as fact yet hasn't really given much proof at all.
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I am not stating anything as fact. Volosaurus has given you hard data. Numbers, percentages that show what people on this site want. Turning the subjective in the objective is a critical part of this poll. Definitely more scientific than the usual gripe sessions.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I assure you however, as a football fan from Tennessee living in Florida. Our traditional uni's and stagnant image have not been helping us one bit.
I attend high school football games and as a physician I sit down with families constantly and believe i have a pretty good finger on the pulse of what they like.
Same ole saltines "aint doin it".
I want to hear people talking about the vols again. When they do the recruits will be listening.
Florida is one of the best athlete pools in the country and they dont care about where we used to be.
Why not throw out a lure and see who bites. Up until recently its been pretty poor.
CBJ is generating some excitement now, and for that i am thankful. Spicing up the image can only help.
Otherwise all the advertising and marketing people in the world should just quit work and go home.
I think the constant race for newer model cars and new generation of phones support the argument fairly well on their own.
 
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#105
#105
SobeVol said:
I am not stating anything as fact. Volosaurus has given you hard data. Numbers, percentages that show what people on this site want. Turning the subjective in the objective is a critical part of this pole. Definitely more scientific than the usual gripe sessions.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I assure you however, as a football fan from Tennessee living in Florida. Our traditional uni's and stagnant image have not been helping us one bit.
I attend high school football games and as a physician I sit down with families constantly and believe i have a pretty good finger on the pulse of what they like.
Same ole saltines "aint doin it".
I want to hear people talking about the vols again. When they do the recruits will be listening.
Florida is one of the best athlete pools in the country and they dont care about where we used to be.
Why not throw out a lure and see who bites. Up until recently its been pretty poor.
CBJ is generating some excitement now, and for that i am thankful. Spicing up the image can only help.
Otherwise all the advertising and marketing people in the world should just quit work and go home.
I think the constant race for newer model cars and new generation of phones support the argument fairly well on their own.
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I must have missed where Florida and FSU are having issues with their same old traditional uniforms; that's been killing their recruiting.

Oh wait.....
 
#106
#106
VolsSportsFan said:
I'm not sure you even know how to read results.

171 of the 363 replies (47.1%) want subtle changes or less. You do know what subtle means right? It means the look basically stays the same.

160 of the replies (44%) said one alternate a year. Most of the "traditionalists" have gone on record saying they don't mind this. Only a very few are hardline in nothing changing at all.

Overall the sentiment this poll is giving is generally speaking, at most people want an alternate, but to basically keep the look the same for the majority of the time.

So no, I am not wrong.
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Here is another read on the numbers for you to entertain:
7% dont care about change (ie cant be counted in your assessment)
47% want radical or at least one alternative uniform
27%want minimal change
10% dont want change
10% want more orange -ie change of uniform

The data supports some change to the unis and the largest individual percentage says at least one complete new uni. That says enough for me.
I hope whatever we do in the future benefits the VOLS.
i have a hunch (NOT spewed fact) that a little excitement would help.

Some people just like to argue. Go argue with the wall.
Good day sir!
 
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#108
Hate to say it, but I don't see much change in the uniforms of Alabama and USC and they don't seem to have a problem recruiting. Too many traditions in this great country of ours are falling by the wayside to the minority and I'd really hate to see my Alma mater follow that course.
 
#109
#109
SobeVol said:
Here is another read on the numbers for you to entertain:
7% dont care about change (ie cant be counted in your assessment)
47% want radical or at least one alternative uniform
27%want minimal change
10% dont want change
10% want more orange -ie change of uniform

The data supports some change to the unis and the largest individual percentage says at least one complete new uni. That says enough for me.
I hope whatever we do in the future benefits the VOLS.
i have a hunch (NOT spewed fact) that a little excitement would help.

Some people just like to argue. Go argue with the wall.
Good day sir!
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And some people just want new uniforms and try to back it up with bullcrap about recruiting, even though our recruiting is fine and most other traditional programs like have basically kept the same look and are doing fine.

On top of that, you fail to grasp that this site is but a small percentage of all Vol fans; saying this poll proves that our brand name and look is stagnant is quite silly.
 
#110
#110
Guys, thanks for the comments on methodology and interpretation of the data. As you are all undoubtedly aware, the accuracy of any poll is intrinsically limited by the precision with which poll options are framed. Illvol made a most valid point. In retrospect, I wish that I had crafted option no. 3 to more strongly convey basic satisfaction with Tennessee's existing color scheme while simultaneously desiring at least one alternate uniform per season. That correction might have teased a bit more rigor out of this middle-ground option. I have no way of quantifying it but I have a hunch that there is greater diversity within values associated with this option and the preferred range of stylistic change associated with it than any other cohort.

I believe that the one irrefutable point we can all take away from this discussion is that Vol Nation is split almost precisely down the middle between traditionalist and alternate uniform camps. Incidentally, options 4-6 were intended to represent varying degrees of what I consider traditionalist perspectives on the issue. Yes, persons who want to emphasize orange more heavily than our existing color scheme are advocating stylistic change, but it is change that reinforces the status quo. They fall squarely, in my mind, in the traditionalist camp.
 
#111
#111
SobeVol said:
Here is another read on the numbers for you to entertain:
7% dont care about change (ie cant be counted in your assessment)
47% want radical or at least one alternative uniform
27%want minimal change
10% dont want change
10% want more orange -ie change of uniform
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Only roughly 2% want a radical change, so lumping them together is faulty. At the very least you'd have to assume some of the 47% would definitely be against any radical change.

Even if I gave you that, basically it's a split, because you can't count the 7% who don't care either. That's hardly a majority at all.
 
#112
#112
I will bet, however, that the 2% has been disproportionately loud in their strident advocacy for change in our uniforms. Given the tone of discourse in other uniform threads, I was a bit surprised that the radical change cohort was not larger.
 
#113
#113
A question strictly for alternate uniform advocates: How many of you would be interested in a separate poll to assess the direction and degree of stylistic change that you, collectively, would like to see in Tennessee uniforms?
 
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#114
#114
apkvol said:
bammer has trailer trash who yell something stupid about yeller hammers and they've been winning once in a while lately... what do you want? invite Flo-Rida to write us a new fight song?

and you can take a flying leap if you think we can't win like bammer... we've done it in the past and can do it again... and I enjoy having an orange butt, orange ears, orange heart and orange blood!

Quit apologizing for being Orange and Tennessee!
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We have never won three out of four NTs like Bama and never will. They have another one in the bag this year. Why? They have fresh meat inside their state and are surrounded by talented states, including our own. Our in state stars are closer to Tuscaloser than they are K-town, which is surrounded by little midget corn pones. We are at a huge disadvantage. The only reason we beat them in the 90s is because of DuBose, who was almost as crappy as Doolander. Baby Shula was a gift to us, too. A good coach at UT should expect to beat them once every four years, but that is as good as it's going to get as long as they have Sicky and keep hiring good coaches when that little ba$tard finally dies.
If we make the Outback or Cap One every year, just be glad. Better than what we do now.I know I'm gonna get flamed for saying this, but just be supportive of a job well done by Jones if he has us playing every year on the level of these bowls.
 
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#115
#115
VolsSportsFan said:
And some people just want new uniforms and try to back it up with bullcrap about recruiting, even though our recruiting is fine and most other traditional programs like have basically kept the same look and are doing fine.

On top of that, you fail to grasp that this site is but a small percentage of all Vol fans; saying this poll proves that our brand name and look is stagnant is quite silly.
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This is a good point that has been overlooked. I'd be willing to wager that the majority of the money that makes this whole thing possible comes from older individuals, of whom only a minuscule percentage actually read message boards. The general masses can yearn for uniform change all they want, but even if 100,000 of the people who make their way to the stadium on a given Saturday all favor a new look, it won't ever happen if even a majority of the top 10 boosters make it known to the AD they don't want to see it. Like it or not, as with most things, money is what ultimately makes these types of decisions.
 
#116
#116
SobeVol said:
Here is another read on the numbers for you to entertain:
7% dont care about change (ie cant be counted in your assessment)
47% want radical or at least one alternative uniform
27%want minimal change
10% dont want change
10% want more orange -ie change of uniform

The data supports some change to the unis and the largest individual percentage says at least one complete new uni. That says enough for me.
I hope whatever we do in the future benefits the VOLS.
i have a hunch (NOT spewed fact) that a little excitement would help.


Some people just like to argue. Go argue with the wall.
Good day sir!
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Thanks Doc for the eloquent posts about the need for uni update, but you can see why this message board is a prime example of why Clay Travis was wrong when he ranked the Tenn. fanbase as the 10th dumbest in the nation, it should have been much higher.
 
#117
#117
GlockVol said:
Thanks Doc for the eloquent posts about the need for uni update, but you can see why this message board is a prime example of why Clay Travis was wrong when he ranked the Tenn. fanbase as the 10th dumbest in the nation, it should have been much higher.
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I agree, because apparently we have a lot of fans that think changing uniforms will make us win.
 
#119
#119
Mr. Lofton said:
Hate to say it, but I don't see much change in the uniforms of Alabama and USC and they don't seem to have a problem recruiting. Too many traditions in this great country of ours are falling by the wayside to the minority and I'd really hate to see my Alma mater follow that course.
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Well according to this poll most people want some kind of change.
 
#123
#123
VolsSportsFan said:
Yes, mostly subtle maybe one alternate. But no overhaul.

And again, this site is a small % of all UT fans.
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AGAIN BOZO...
virtually no one, myself included, would favor an "overhaul".
But virtually everyone (all but 17%) prefer some formof change. The largest group of the poll does request AT LEAST one completely new alternative uniform. Which I would say is a far cry from subtle.
I personally love our uniforms and DO NOT WANT drastic change on the everyday uniforms but to add in some variety to keep excitement and interest up.
Never did I say change of uniform equals more wins. I do however believe that occasional new uniforms does interest most people in this poll and I believe most people in general. (Yes the poll is representative of a small part of the population but that is what all polls are. their objective is to attain the opinion of the sample population and the word change is involved with the VAST MAJORITY of people in this poll even if "subtle".
More interest is what brings recruits, this can be attained by wins, coaches, conferences, and yes the presentation.Im for it as are most people in this sample population.
Go vols!
and yes USC does have new uni's in the works(google it) and Alabama did alter their unis even if only a little just for the NC game (google it too) (I have links but as an old fart dont know how to post.
As a business owner I will also give you a tip...stay true to your brand but NEVER stop trying to improve your image and interest!!! To do so is certain death. I imagine this applies in some small way to the business of football too.

sorry for the bold...I cant make it go away
 
#124
#124
Change, per se, is inevitable. Indeed, subtle stylistic change has been part of Tennessee tradition, when it comes to uniforms, for decades. The tipping point in this argument, as is usually the case with respect to cultural innovations, is what rate and degree of change from the status quo will be acceptable to the masses. That is what I have attempted to ascertain with this poll and I believe that we have achieved some degree of success. The next logical step would be to construct a separate poll for alternate uniform advocates, one that would present a number of schematic concepts that have been previously floated in other threads, with the option to select multiple features, in order to see if there is any consensus whatsoever in terms of the direction that this segment of our fanbase would go with our uniforms. You hinted at the sociological and anthropological laws of similarity and success/attraction; they do, indeed, strongly impact the likelihood of adoption of cultural innovations. However, radical departures from the status quo, which most of our respondees do not consider themselves to espouse, rarely persist long enough to be integrated into a cultural complex as "tradition."
 
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#125
#125
Volosaurus rex said:
Change, per se, is inevitable. Indeed, subtle stylistic change has been part of Tennessee tradition, when it comes to uniforms, for decades. The tipping point in this argument, as is usually the case with respect to cultural innovations, is what rate and degree of change from the status quo will be acceptable to the masses. That is what I have attempted to ascertain with this poll and I believe that we have achieved some degree of success. The next logical step would be to construct a separate poll for alternate uniform advocates, one that would present a number of schematic concepts that have been previously floated in other threads, with the option to select multiple features, in order to see if there is any consensus whatsoever in terms of the direction that this segment of our fanbase would go with our uniforms. You hinted at the sociological and anthropological laws of similarity and success/attraction; they do, indeed, strongly impact the likelihood of adoption of cultural innovations. However, radical departures from the status quo, which most of our respondees do not consider themselves to espouse, rarely persist long enough to be integrated into a cultural complex as "tradition."
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Completely agree!
Take the poll to the next phase.
I am still curious what the sample group will say.
 
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