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[cncchris33]

For the record after TV was hired I posted this would be the method TV used, I also said it was the only way to win at Tennessee and I didn’t blame him for it but I also said I wouldn’t support it. This was before he coached a single game

now i also said I thought the ceiling for Tenn baseball was 1 trip to Omaha every 5 years. So at this point TV has vastly done better than I thought was possible

Your white knight act for kids you have no vested interest in isn't impressing anyone. No one who commits to Tennessee to play baseball is a victim. If you don't support Tony Vitello or his Tennessee teams, then stop commenting on it in a message board fully devoted to that idea, and stop trying to engage/incite those who do with your hot takes.

 

[preacherman20]

you do realize kids are getting cut before classes start, during the fall and during the spring. That does happen all over college baseball but again at a higher rate under TV

You can spin this all you want but if they are committed to a school on Pg it ain’t some mythical thing


You have made it clear you don’t count players as really members of the program until they make the official roster. That’s plain wrong and clearly you are showing it again here. Plenty of commitments under TV have been cut before that happened

No. You are wrong again. Kids don't show up for class for multiple reasons. Some decide not to go to school at all. Some get drafted out of HS (reason he has such high class rankings). Some choose to go to another school after committing to one school. Some decide to go juco instead of straight to D1.
You are just taking a random set of numbers and reading into it what fits your agenda. You are not looking at the names and the situations and eliminating the ones who never got to school or left school for a reason other than they would not play. Again, you are making numbers fit your hatred of Vitello and trying to make him and everyone associated with UT baseball look bad. I still don't understand why you feel the need to come on here every day and trash the program, players, and coaches. Do you not have a life outside of this hatred for UT baseball?
You keep saying you are not a fan of the program or coaches and yet you get on here every day and spew your hatred. Find a new team to hate or go to the LSU, Vandy, Florida, or Arkansas fan pages and they will love your hatred of UT.

I have never said anything about only counting players as members of the program until they make the official roster but if you never show up to campus most would say your were really never a part of the program. You don't become a part of the program until you are a part of the program. I am sure someone was told for some reason their services were not needed after they committed but not to the numbers you want to make up. I also know there are a lot of kids who don't want to earn a right to play. They are not willing to be like Jorel or Trey and sit while they get better every day. That is their choice and I can accept that.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I’m not sure why there is this level of consternation about “over-signing” classes by Bruin that is explicitly for baseball. Football basically does it all the time when they pull a kid’s scholly offer last minute because a higher rated recruit wants in the boat and you leave the kid scrambling to find a new home.

This isn’t unique to baseball. It isn’t unique to Tennessee. It isn’t unique anywhere. It’s part of the sport and it’s something every kid has to deal with throughout the process.

 

[BruinVol]

I have never said anything about only counting players as members of the program until they make the official roster .

I hate to call a man of your status a liar but I have reviewed your post on this from years back. Hopefully you will admit to misremembering but you post said you didn’t believe recruited walk ons should be included as teammates until they made the official roster. Sorry but that’s just the facts


btw the guys that were drafted out of hs and signed weren’t used in my numbers from the previous post

 

[BruinVol]

think the difference to me is that #3 should not be in the list of commitments to UT. They are walk-ons with no commitment from the staff. That is why I do not include them in the numbers because they are not guaranteed anything from the staff other than a chance to make a team.

It’s really simple regarding players at the D1 level. There are 4 types


3) a walk on player that is offered a spot on the fall roster, offered a spot to work out with the team and attend all team functions. They know they are fighting for 7 walk on spots

so hear you go folks.


The mans own words saying these kids shouldn’t count.
sad really

 

[preacherman20]

I hate to call a man of your status a liar but I have reviewed your post on this from years back. Hopefully you will admit to misremembering but you post said you didn’t believe recruited walk ons should be included as teammates until they made the official roster. Sorry but that’s just the facts


btw the guys that were drafted out of hs and signed weren’t used in my numbers from the previous post

That is what you said I said. I said there are recruited walk-ons that are preferred walk-ons and there are guys who walk-on that are not recruited. You said that never happens but that is a lie because every D1 college is required to have a walk-on tryout every year. Guys can show up that day that were never recruited by this coaching staff. A guy who shows up for that tryout is not a part of the team unless the team keeps him. I still hold to that. Just because you show up for the walk-on tryout day does not make you a part of the team. If the coaches keep you, then you are part of the team for the fall. Then they keep some after the fall and tell some they cannot see them helping the team after the fall. That is life. Don't try to put words in my mouth again. Just because my love of the coaching staff and players that they decide to keep does not fit your hatred of the team does not give you the ability to call me a liar. You also spewed that Coach V should have been bound to the former coaching staff's recruits and I do not hold to that either. I think he proved that he gave them a fair chance and kept some and told others no thank you. I have even said clearly that I'm not sure if my son was still in HS that he would be recruited by this coaching staff right now and I'm okay with that. Some times it is good timing in all areas of life. I believe guys that Coach V and staff recruited 6 years ago might not be good enough to compete for time right now. We are a much better program.

I still don't know why you get on here every day if you do not like the coaches, players, or program. I and most others get on here because we love the players, coaches, and program.
I will admit I do not go on the UT football, basketball, or other aspects of this message board because they are not my passion. But I also don't go on message boards of programs I don't like. I have more important things to do than just spew hate. Life is too short.

 

[BruinVol]

That is what you said I said. I said there are recruited walk-ons that are preferred walk-ons and there are guys who walk-on that are not recruited. You said that never happens but that is a lie because every D1 college is required to have a walk-on tryout every year. Guys can show up that day that were never recruited by this coaching staff. A guy who shows up for that tryout is not a part of the team unless the team keeps him. I still hold to that. Just because you show up for the walk-on tryout day does not make you a part of the team. If the coaches keep you, then you are part of the team for the fall. Then they keep some after the fall and tell some they cannot see them helping the team after the fall. That is life. Don't try to put words in my mouth again. Just because my love of the coaching staff and players that they decide to keep does not fit your hatred of the team does not give you the ability to call me a liar. You also spewed that Coach V should have been bound to the former coaching staff's recruits and I do not hold to that either. I think he proved that he gave them a fair chance and kept some and told others no thank you. I have even said clearly that I'm not sure if my son was still in HS that he would be recruited by this coaching staff right now and I'm okay with that. Some times it is good timing in all areas of life. I believe guys that Coach V and staff recruited 6 years ago might not be good enough to compete for time right now. We are a much better program.

I still don't know why you get on here every day if you do not like the coaches, players, or program. I and most others get on here because we love the players, coaches, and program.
I will admit I do not go on the UT football, basketball, or other aspects of this message board because they are not my passion. But I also don't go on message boards of programs I don't like. I have more important things to do than just spew hate. Life is too short.

sorry I just posted what you said and you are wrong


btw guys that show up for a one day walk on tryout shouldn’t count unless kept longer I agree

BUT you said even recruited walk ons fighting for a spot shouldn’t count sorry

 

[preacherman20]

so hear you go folks.


The mans own words saying these kids shouldn’t count.
sad really

I still hold to that. #3 was true walk-ons. We disagreed back then what #3 was. I said they were the true walk-on guys who were given a 1 day tryout. You actually said no one was not recruited who showed up and I disagreed. They are given a day or two to try to make the team and very few to none make it. They are non-recruited players that every D1 school is required to offer a tryout day for. What part of this do you not understand?
Blind Walk-on below is what I'm referring to. Pretty simple for most to understand. It happens on every campus in every sport around the US every year. But less than .01% get selected according to the NY Times.

Per website
Types of Walk-On Opportunities
Blind Walk-On

This is the most storied kind of walk-on (Think Rudy!). A player who has had minimal contact with the coaches and is already enrolled in school, walks up to the field or into the coaches’ office and is given a shot to make the team. This is the most improbable way to make a college baseball team, and players of this type normally get few chances to impress coaches. This is the riskiest type of strategy to make the team.

Recruited Walk-On (no roster spot guarantee)

A recruited walk-on with no guarantee of a roster spot is a player that has had contact with the coaching staff during the recruiting process, there’s mutual interest, but the player is not guaranteed a roster spot. Normally, this student has been admitted to the school either on their own or with support from the baseball team ( You should never plan on getting help from a team to get into a school). Recruited walk-ons who are not guaranteed a roster spot generally receive a prolonged tryout and work out with the team during fall ball, but must either beat out a returning player, win the spot over other players with the same opportunity, or have a spot open up for them through another means. This gives players a prolonged period of time to show what they can do, but is still not guarantee of making the team. This option is better than a blind walk-on opportunity, but still carries quite a bit of risk.

Roster Spot (Preferred) Walk-On

A player who is promised a roster spot but doesn’t receive any scholarship money is often called a preferred walk-on or a roster guaranteed walk-on. While the expectation among all parties is that the player will have a roster spot, the player should know that they will be first on the chopping block when push comes to shove. Preferred walk-ons do not benefit from the added security of having a scholarship invested in them. If a walk-on beats out a returning player, it is often a non-scholarship players who started out as roster spot walk-ons. This type of walk-on opportunity carries the least amount of risk, but as we discuss here, nothing in college baseball is truly guaranteed.

The first one I found from 2019
Tennessee Baseball to Hold Walk-On Tryouts on Sept. 17

• Walk-On Tryout Form

Sean Barows Baseball September 06, 2019

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. – Tennessee baseball will hold open tryouts for current students on Tuesday, Sept. 17 at Lindsey Nelson Stadium.

Anyone interested in trying out for the team must fill out a tryout form, which can be found HERE. The form must be filled out and submitted by Wednesday, Sept. 11.
Tryouts are limited to current full-time students at the University of Tennessee only. Anyone planning on attending tryouts must also have had a physical done within the past six months.

For more information, contact Tennessee Baseball Director of Operations Chad Zurcher by email (czrucher@utk.edu).

I'm done discussing with you. I've tried not to block you but your hatred for UT baseball has pushed me. Enjoy your life. Good bye.

 

[BruinVol]

Remember only 32(27 precovid) scholarship players are allowed so on average that’s 8 per class. If Pg only listed scholarship guys like preacher thinks …

how do the Vols have +20 every single class?

The math just doesn’t work does it Lol

 

[volsfan_17]

@BruinVol thanks for reminding me why I had you on ignore to start with.

 

[BruinVol]

I still hold to that. #3 was true walk-ons. They are given a day or two to try to make the team and very few to none make it. They are non-recruited players that every D1 school is required to offer a tryout day for. What part of this do you not understand?
Blind Walk-on below is what I'm referring to. Pretty simple for most to understand. It happens on every campus in every sport around the US every year. But less than .01% get selected according to the NY Times.

Per website
Types of Walk-On Opportunities
Blind Walk-On

This is the most storied kind of walk-on (Think Rudy!). A player who has had minimal contact with the coaches and is already enrolled in school, walks up to the field or into the coaches’ office and is given a shot to make the team. This is the most improbable way to make a college baseball team, and players of this type normally get few chances to impress coaches. This is the riskiest type of strategy to make the team.

Recruited Walk-On (no roster spot guarantee)

A recruited walk-on with no guarantee of a roster spot is a player that has had contact with the coaching staff during the recruiting process, there’s mutual interest, but the player is not guaranteed a roster spot. Normally, this student has been admitted to the school either on their own or with support from the baseball team ( You should never plan on getting help from a team to get into a school). Recruited walk-ons who are not guaranteed a roster spot generally receive a prolonged tryout and work out with the team during fall ball, but must either beat out a returning player, win the spot over other players with the same opportunity, or have a spot open up for them through another means. This gives players a prolonged period of time to show what they can do, but is still not guarantee of making the team. This option is better than a blind walk-on opportunity, but still carries quite a bit of risk.

Roster Spot (Preferred) Walk-On

A player who is promised a roster spot but doesn’t receive any scholarship money is often called a preferred walk-on or a roster guaranteed walk-on. While the expectation among all parties is that the player will have a roster spot, the player should know that they will be first on the chopping block when push comes to shove. Preferred walk-ons do not benefit from the added security of having a scholarship invested in them. If a walk-on beats out a returning player, it is often a non-scholarship players who started out as roster spot walk-ons. This type of walk-on opportunity carries the least amount of risk, but as we discuss here, nothing in college baseball is truly guaranteed.

The first one I found from 2019
Tennessee Baseball to Hold Walk-On Tryouts on Sept. 17

• Walk-On Tryout Form

Sean Barows Baseball September 06, 2019

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. – Tennessee baseball will hold open tryouts for current students on Tuesday, Sept. 17 at Lindsey Nelson Stadium.

Anyone interested in trying out for the team must fill out a tryout form, which can be found HERE. The form must be filled out and submitted by Wednesday, Sept. 11.
Tryouts are limited to current full-time students at the University of Tennessee only. Anyone planning on attending tryouts must also have had a physical done within the past six months.

For more information, contact Tennessee Baseball Director of Operations Chad Zurcher by email (czrucher@utk.edu).

Lol

dude the #3 you responded to was posted.


RECRUITED walk ons that were guaranteed to be with the team at all functions for the fall knowing they were fighting for 7 spots!!!


that’s what responded you responded to


just admit you misremembered here please instead of looking more foolish.

heres the entire post and #3 clearly isn’t as you want to spin it to

Come on man don’t give me that “anyone that played” bs


It’s really simple regarding players at the D1 level. There are 4 types

1) scholarship players that can’t be cut from the 35 man roster in a year they receive money

2) a walk on player that is guaranteed a spot on the 35 man roster. My guess is none of the Vols are offered this and if there are it’s only 1 or 2. This is considered a preferred walk on spot

3) a walk on player that is offered a spot on the fall roster, offered a spot to work out with the team and attend all team functions. My guess is every single one of the commitments listed we see on PG are in this group or the scholarship group. They know they are fighting for 7 walk on spots


4) and then the player that sees a flyer on the student union wall and bets his frat boys he can make the team and attends the school wide tryout without participating in any of the team activities beforehand. In fact most tryouts aren’t even with the regular team. I’d venture a guess that the Vols haven’t kept such a player on their 35 man roster in a long time.


So let’s make this clear. If a player is in either of the first 3 types of players they damn sure count and they damn sure have a positive impact on college baseball. Every single successful program needs players from 2) and 3) to become stars and believe it or not there are some players in the big leagues right now that were in group 3 and we have some foolish ass posters suggesting those kids shouldn’t count. That’s ridiculous

 

[ViperVol86]

Man my goodness I had to put bruin on ignore

 

[TheMookieMonster]

so hear you go folks.


The mans own words saying these kids shouldn’t count.
sad really

You act like that is a “gotcha” moment but from the single comment you quoted of preacher, but that is an extremely benign comment. As far as I can tell, he is just offering clarity on why a walk-on isn’t included in the official count of commitments. I don’t see him making any malicious statements about walk-ons being lesser people or unimportant and not worthy of respect as you made it sound.

 

[Volprofch05]

For the record after TV was hired I posted this would be the method TV used, I also said it was the only way to win at Tennessee and I didn’t blame him for it but I also said I wouldn’t support it. This was before he coached a single game

now i also said I thought the ceiling for Tenn baseball was 1 trip to Omaha every 5 years. So at this point TV has vastly done better than I thought was possible

Not really understanding how the following two statements mesh:

1. This is the only way to win at Tennessee
2. You won't support it

 

[BruinVol]

You act like that is a “gotcha” moment but from the single comment you quoted of preacher, but that is an extremely benign comment. As far as I can tell, he is just offering clarity on why a walk-on isn’t included in the official count of commitments. I don’t see him making any malicious statements about walk-ons being lesser people or unimportant and not worthy of respect as you made it sound.

what do you think the PG commitment list would look like without walk ons ?



They would be very short I can promise you that

 

[Tenacjim]

That is what you said I said. I said there are recruited walk-ons that are preferred walk-ons and there are guys who walk-on that are not recruited. You said that never happens but that is a lie because every D1 college is required to have a walk-on tryout every year. Guys can show up that day that were never recruited by this coaching staff. A guy who shows up for that tryout is not a part of the team unless the team keeps him. I still hold to that. Just because you show up for the walk-on tryout day does not make you a part of the team. If the coaches keep you, then you are part of the team for the fall. Then they keep some after the fall and tell some they cannot see them helping the team after the fall. That is life. Don't try to put words in my mouth again. Just because my love of the coaching staff and players that they decide to keep does not fit your hatred of the team does not give you the ability to call me a liar. You also spewed that Coach V should have been bound to the former coaching staff's recruits and I do not hold to that either. I think he proved that he gave them a fair chance and kept some and told others no thank you. I have even said clearly that I'm not sure if my son was still in HS that he would be recruited by this coaching staff right now and I'm okay with that. Some times it is good timing in all areas of life. I believe guys that Coach V and staff recruited 6 years ago might not be good enough to compete for time right now. We are a much better program.

I still don't know why you get on here every day if you do not like the coaches, players, or program. I and most others get on here because we love the players, coaches, and program.
I will admit I do not go on the UT football, basketball, or other aspects of this message board because they are not my passion. But I also don't go on message boards of programs I don't like. I have more important things to do than just spew hate. Life is too short.

“I still don't know why you get on here every day if you do not like the coaches, players, or program.”

It’s simply to stir the pot (and it’s working). I ignored this guy when he first showed back up but you can’t read this thread without knowing who everyone is responding to. It’s why far left people sign up to National Review and far right people sign up to Politico (and spend all day there arguing with people who will never move an inch).

My first job was at Burger King when I was in high school. I learned a life lesson then that I had no idea would translate to the cyber world: “Don’t feed the panhandlers and they will eventually move on to somewhere that will”…..

 

[TechnoVol]

Bruin sucks the life out of this forum for me. Really glad @Freak provides an ignore option.

 

[Halph66]

Bruin sucks the life out of this forum for me. Really glad @Freak provides an ignore option.

And he said he was leaving and never coming back, once before. But here he is and nothing has changed.

 

[Halph66]

“ I ignored this guy when he first showed back up but you can’t read this thread without knowing who everyone is responding to.

I think this part makes it funnier. Makes the rest of us look like the irrational ones.

 

[fryeguy93]

Really don’t understand the Maui hate. Very bizarre. Guy was lights out in Omaha lol. Also played well in supers.

Had a bad back most of the year, and still hit .312 with a .962 OPS and elite defense. I truly do not understand why so many fans act like he was horrible this year.

Did he strike out too much? Yes. Did he make a few routine errors earlier in the year? Sure. But by the end of the year he was absolutely lights out defensively when it mattered. He wasn’t a natural leadoff guy, but the team didn’t have one. Ive just really never seen so much hate on a guy who was statistically as good as he was, it’s bizarre

I see someone else touched on it with a reply- I liked Maui, all things being stated, he was a great pickup as he was solid in field and at plate, especially form SS position where those guys bat 8th or 9th. more than not.

My main problems,

(1) he is way to free swinging to be lead off hitter. He needed to adjust and choke up a bit or bat elsewhere in lineup. Seems like his back would have felt better without all the windmilling.

(2) His body language was terrible after a strike out or bad play. Let it go. That sort of thing is very contagious- especially from a lead off hitter.

I hate to say this, but I believe the coaches should have better addressed both problems. If they tried and he couldn't change then that's on him.

 

[BruinVol]

So you are just guessing? I was hoping to see the actual statistics.

Funny how the board ask for real stats until they see then and don’t like them…

Then its shoot the messenger for bringing the truth

lol

 

[txbo]

Any portal activity happening?

 

[TN_gal]

Man my goodness I had to put bruin on ignore

I put him on ignore a long time ago. He can blow all the hot air. I choose not to see it. More peaceful that way.

 

[BruinVol]

Any portal activity happening?

Big day for that with the draft

 

[knoxvol52]

I put him on ignore a long time ago. He can blow all the hot air. I choose not to see it. More peaceful that way.

Lol who is winning the most popular person award from everyone?????