Possible Replacement For Serrano?

There is an interesting article in today's edition of the Knoxville News Sentinel that compares Vanderbilt and Tennessee's college baseball programs since 2002 and finishes up with the fact that CTC of Vanderbilt is like Coach K of Duke......... Very interesting article but I do not know how to link that story onto here.
 
There is an interesting article in today's edition of the Knoxville News Sentinel that compares Vanderbilt and Tennessee's college baseball programs since 2002 and finishes up with the fact that CTC of Vanderbilt is like Coach K of Duke......... Very interesting article but I do not know how to link that story onto here.

It's already linked here.
 
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Can't disagree, but you at least have to figure out why you are losing games. You can't just throw your arms up and not care. IMO, the walks are a bad trend and simply something that is not acceptable at this level.

Ok. I get what you're saying. That's fair.
 
As was mentioned in the "Come to Jesus" thread...University of Tennessee may not be putting forward the resources necessary to compete with those that do. If you can find a better head coach than Dave Serrano...go get him. I don't think many on this board really understand what an elite line of coaches that CDS comes from. Wally Kincaid, the head coach at Cerritos was a legend. He ushered into the coaching profession Dave Snow, George Horton, Rick Vanderhook, Don Sneddon, Mike Weathers, just to name a few. Many of these also spent time with coaching legend Augie Garrido. CDS is a proven winner...at every level. If anyone has ever spent time watching a Fullerton team play...you would see the grit and determination they play with. It is different from anywhere else in the country. These "Kincaid" coaches are as talented as any group of coaches anywhere. There is no question that the SEC conference has the MOST talented rosters, the best facilities, and the most resources. I read as posters write about doing a better job recruiting in TN. CDS needs a budget to recruit the best players, those are found on the fields of Southern California. Does Tennessee produce great baseball players...of course...but the talent pool is nowhere near the depth of those in other states. Little Fullerton (a school with no football program and a sad basketball program) has had 3 Golden Spikes winners (Wallach, Nevin, and Kotsay)...and they have nowhere close to the resources that UT has. I believe that if UT can't win with CDS...you better take a deep look at the commitment of the athletic department and compare it to who you are competing against. It is a deeper issue than the coach. If some young phenom coach wanted to come to UT (like CDS did), then by all means get him. Baseball, unlike basketball and football is more of an organizational driven sport. Being a genius with the X's and O's may win you a few games, but at the end of the day the teams that win at all levels, win because of the commitment of the organization. I am not making excuses for CDS...his resume speaks for itself. I just feel many UT supporters are using HIM as the excuse and they once again will look for an easy fix.

Meanwhile 19 out of the top 25 teams hail from Southern states. FL and TX have as many ranked teams as the entire west coast.
The best baseball in the country these days is being played in the Sun Belt and I don't mean the conference.
 
The best college baseball may be played in the Sun Belt, but the best high school baseball is being played in CA…and it isn't really close:

Take a look at how the MLB Draft breaks down state-by-state | MLB.com

How many of those kids are going straight to the draft? Doesn't matter how good they are if they never touch a college field. We're discussing college baseball here and right now the best college baseball is being played in the south by teams predominantly composed of southern kids. No doubt numbers are a factor of population. Guarantee CA, TX and FL have the most players in the NFL as well. They also happen to comprise 30% of the US's population.
 
How many of those kids are going straight to the draft? Doesn't matter how good they are if they never touch a college field. We're discussing college baseball here and right now the best college baseball is being played in the south by teams predominantly composed of southern kids. No doubt numbers are a factor of population. Guarantee CA, TX and FL have the most players in the NFL as well. They also happen to comprise 30% of the US's population.

Ok…Let's talk college baseball…in the last 10 years (glory years for the SEC in baseball), the Pac 12 has won 4 CWS…the SEC 4 championships…add Fresno State in 2008 and Fullerton in 2004…you could make an argument the west still plays the best baseball (really don't want to have that discussion). However, my point is that I am not sure the UT athletic department has not made the commitment to baseball that South Carolina, Vanderbilt, LSU, Alabama (recently), Florida, etc… My point is if UT wants an elite program, then they need to put the $$ toward it…because they have to do more recruiting in other states. Please don't think I am against UT baseball. I want UT to be successful…and I think CDS can do it…if he has the resources.
 
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Ok…Let's talk college baseball…in the last 10 years (glory years for the SEC in baseball), the Pac 12 has won 4 CWS…the SEC 4 championships…add Fresno State in 2008 and Fullerton in 2004…you could make an argument the west still plays the best baseball (really don't want to have that discussion). However, my point is that I am not sure the UT athletic department has not made the commitment to baseball that South Carolina, Vanderbilt, LSU, Alabama (recently), Florida, etc… My point is if UT wants an elite program, then they need to put the $$ toward it…because they have to do more recruiting in other states. Please don't think I am against UT baseball. I want UT to be successful…and I think CDS can do it…if he has the resources.

This is the way I look at it...and it's complex but here goes...

Financial Support

We all know we are at the bottom of the league and if we grade the team and the coach by where we finish we also have to grade the AD the same way.

Williams noted that the project aligns with the baseball team’s focuses. “First, we recruit elite high school baseball prospects who often are choosing between us and professional baseball,” he said. “It is important that our facilities help them develop to their full potential. It is also imperative that we identify young men with strong academic interests because we all know our program develops more than just baseball skills.

“In addition, we want to have a welcoming and quality home for those former Commodores who are now professionals and return to the campus to train during the off season or perhaps finish academic requirements,” he said.

Vanderbilt Baseball renovations to focus on student-athlete experience | News | Vanderbilt University

First step 10 million, second step 2 million...


The trustees approved spending $4 million to begin designing the 4,500-seat Cliff Hagan Baseball Stadium.

The trustees approved spending $4 million to begin designing the 4,500-seat Cliff Hagan Baseball Stadium.

Read more here: Trustees approve money for designs of new UK baseball stadium, renovation of tennis center | Lexington Herald-Leader


Alabama just got a new stadium...

The $42.6 million renovation and expansion of Sewell-Thomas Stadium is closing in on completion as the roof structure is up the exteriors are being detailed.

Alabama baseball's Sewell?Thomas stadium renovation progressing | AL.com

MSU's athletic director tweeted a photo of what the view might look like from the Left Field Lofts. They are part of the $40 million renovations plans for Dudy Noble Field.

A sneak peek of the view from Dudy Noble Field's Left Field Lofts

“I’ve always tried to not be the guy that said, ‘Hey, we need this to recruit,’” Bianco said at the baseball team’s media day Tuesday afternoon. “We already have an outstanding stadium. Of course, we’ve always felt that Ole Miss and Oxford is easy to recruit to.

“But in fairness, our stadium, the outside is as nice as anyone’s. But inside the locker room, in our competitors and who we compete against in the Southeastern Conference, I think is in need of some upgrades. I think certainly when a recruit looks at our facility in the future, there’s no doubt when he walks out he’s going to say this is one of the best facilities in the country.”

Swayze Field receiving $13 million upgrade by 2018


The Foley Field project, which started slowly under former Georgia head coach David Perno, truly took shape under head coach Scott Stricklin within his first year at Georgia.

Stricklin acquired enough donations and funding — roughly $12 million — to update Foley Field last May.

http://www.redandblack.com/sports/t...cle_f7839716-b2f2-11e4-9d82-df509003e914.html


While Baum Stadium continues to keep up with the times, it's still ahead of the times in some respects. The Razorbacks made an investment in baseball 20 years ago that many still won't or can't make today.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2015/jun/04/investment-baum-keeps-paying/


The deal with Founders is worth a total of $7 million over 10 years. The naming-rights contract is worth $4.5 million. Founders also will pay $2.5 million in sponsorships and advertising.

The USC deal appears to be unique in college baseball.

Kendall Rogers, editor of D1Baseball.com, said he knows of just two other colleges, Texas and Texas A&M, with corporate names for their baseball fields.

TD Ameritrade signed a $15 million, 20-year deal in 2011 to name the baseball stadium in Omaha, Neb., that plays host to the NCAA’s annual College World Series.


Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/sports/coll...c-baseball/article39313971.html#storylink=cpy


ALL OF THE STUFF ABOVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. ('Cept Baum, placed for dramatic effect for what forward thinking can do.)


Even so...Arkansas made the CWS last year and is in next to last place in the West right now, and Van Horn might miss a regional for the first time in 14 years.


Tough League

South Carolina had made a regional every year since 2000, until last year. Had some significant injuries, but even a program with that kind of success can have a bad year.

However let's not forget this...

Holbrook earned and was handed the keys to a Ferrari. Serrano was given the keys to a burned out '72 VW Van.

BUT...but...It's been 5 years!

I know.

Believe me. I know.

We have a lame duck coach working without a contract and we haven't picked up a recruit for either the '17 or '18 class in months and we aren't likely to do so under these circumstances...so...

While the Vandy's and Florida's are working on 2019 classes and building club houses Major Leaguers can "come home to" here we sit...6th in the east...

Where everyone said we would be before the season started.

Go figure.


What The Hell Should We Do?

I dunno. We have the biggest class CDS has ever assembled lined up for 2016...so there's that.

We aren't going to land them all even if he stays, but how many do we lose if he's fired? How many take the draft over the unknown coach?

I dunno.

Should that be a consideration? I dunno.

In year two there will be a roster overhaul if we get a new coach, is that ok, bad, who cares? I dunno.

Who do you trust...well...who do you trust more? CDS or Dave Hart?

I dunno what we should do except...

ENJOY THE SEASON! ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES! The rest will play itself out, there's not a thing any of us can do anyway.


GBO!!!
 
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This is the way I look at it...and it's complex but here goes...

Financial Support

We all know we are at the bottom of the league and if we grade the team and the coach by where we finish we also have to grade the AD the same way.



Vanderbilt Baseball renovations to focus on student-athlete experience | News | Vanderbilt University

First step 10 million, second step 2 million...




The trustees approved spending $4 million to begin designing the 4,500-seat Cliff Hagan Baseball Stadium.

Read more here: Trustees approve money for designs of new UK baseball stadium, renovation of tennis center | Lexington Herald-Leader


Alabama just got a new stadium...





A sneak peek of the view from Dudy Noble Field's Left Field Lofts



Swayze Field receiving $13 million upgrade by 2018




Though Foley Field's renovations will not be finished by season's opening, season will go on | Sports | redandblack.com




http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2015/jun/04/investment-baum-keeps-paying/





ALL OF THE STUFF ABOVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. ('Cept Baum, placed for dramatic effect for what forward thinking can do.)


Even so...Arkansas made the CWS last year and is in next to last place in the West right now, and Van Horn might miss a regional for the first time in 14 years.


Tough League

South Carolina had made a regional every year since 2000, until last year. Had some significant injuries, but even a program with that kind of success can have a bad year.

However let's not forget this...

Holbrook earned and was handed the keys to a Ferrari. Serrano was given the keys to a burned out '72 VW Van.

BUT...but...It's been 5 years!

I know.

Believe me. I know.

We have a lame duck coach working without a contract and we haven't picked up a recruit for either the '17 or '18 class in months and we aren't likely to do so under these circumstances...so...

While the Vandy's and Florida's are working on 2019 classes and building club houses Major Leaguers can "come home to" here we sit...6th in the east...

Where everyone said we would be before the season started.

Go figure.


What The Hell Should We Do?

I dunno. We have the biggest class CDS has ever assembled lined up for 2016...so there's that.

We aren't going to land them all even if he stays, but how many do we lose if he's fired? How many take the draft over the unknown coach?

I dunno.

Should that be a consideration? I dunno.

In year two there will be a roster overhaul if we get a new coach, is that ok, bad, who cares? I dunno.

Who do you trust...well...who do you trust more? CDS or Dave Hart?

I dunno what we should do except...

ENJOY THE SEASON! ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES! The rest will play itself out, there's not a thing any of us can do anyway.


GBO!!!

There is "fault" all around, you can't place blame on any one piece of the puzzle. It's a combination of personnel, size, speed, pitching, hitting, coaching, in-game decision making, development, injuries, etc......And it's not all bad, I know its been beat to death but we are close, very close and I commend the staff for all the positives.

The one thing I do know for a fact from my many years of experience, it all starts at the top, the UTAD.

If anyone can tell me one business that has flourished when the CEO or Board of Directors didn't care 100% then please let me know. It's not all on the UTAD however as in any business it the first place to look........and Yes, college sports is a business.
 
There is "fault" all around, you can't place blame on any one piece of the puzzle. It's a combination of personnel, size, speed, pitching, hitting, coaching, in-game decision making, development, injuries, etc......And it's not all bad, I know its been beat to death but we are close, very close and I commend the staff for all the positives.

The one thing I do know for a fact from my many years of experience, it all starts at the top, the UTAD.

If anyone can tell me one business that has flourished when the CEO or Board of Directors didn't care 100% then please let me know. It's not all on the UTAD however as in any business it the first place to look........and Yes, college sports is a business.

That's fair OT. The point I was trying to hammer home is this...

We are behind.

Even Missouri...

“We are committed to investing in our program and student-athletes in order to increase our competitiveness in the premier baseball conference in the country,” Rhoades said. “Coach Jamieson led our program to high levels of success in the past and we anticipate the same in the future. Tim manages his program with great integrity and represents Mizzou in a first-class manner.”

Missouri executive associate athletic director Tim Hickman said baseball is in line for a six-figure increase in its budget, which will increase the salary pool for assistant coaches and provide additional money for travel.

“The commitment Mack and the administration have made to our program is reflected in the increase in our budget and I am beyond grateful to them for helping give us the resources we need to be even more successful in the SEC,” said Jamieson, who must find a new assistant coach/recruiting coordinator after Kerrick Jackson left the program last week for personal reasons.

Emphasis mine.

To reach Tod Palmer, call 816-234-4389 or send email to tpalmer@kcstar.com. Follow him on Twitter at @todpalmer.


Read more here: | The Kansas City Star


It's not like CTJ has been killing it...but for going .500 in the league, being one and done in the SEC Tourney and not making a regional since 2008, he gets a 3 year extension.

What we are experiencing is indifference brought on by lack of leadership and I see the results of it in the slow pace of recruiting. If prospective student athletes and families are seeing it, any prospective coach will see it too.
 
Looks like you can table this discussion, because IMHO Serrano just bought himself an extension.

Winning a series at home. The only one all year in the sec we have won doesn't hold that much weight

It will need to be a turning point and a sign of more to come to mean that IMO
 
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Winning a series at home. The only one all year in the sec we have won doesn't hold that much weight

It will need to be a turning point and a sign of more to come to mean that IMO

I meant to go back and add that if he follows it up with playing well and winning 1-2 more series this season. If we end up sucking the rest of the year then it will be a rather meaningless series win.
 
Ok…Let's talk college baseball…in the last 10 years (glory years for the SEC in baseball), the Pac 12 has won 4 CWS…the SEC 4 championships…add Fresno State in 2008 and Fullerton in 2004…you could make an argument the west still plays the best baseball (really don't want to have that discussion). However, my point is that I am not sure the UT athletic department has not made the commitment to baseball that South Carolina, Vanderbilt, LSU, Alabama (recently), Florida, etc… My point is if UT wants an elite program, then they need to put the $$ toward it…because they have to do more recruiting in other states. Please don't think I am against UT baseball. I want UT to be successful…and I think CDS can do it…if he has the resources.

I wasn't referring to the SEC alone, I said the South as a whole and that includes TX. A southern team has won the CWS 13x in the last 20 years. We don't have to rely on California kids to be competitive, which is what you initially implied, because there's evidence to the contrary in every state surrounding us.
 
This is the way I look at it...and it's complex but here goes...

Financial Support

We all know we are at the bottom of the league and if we grade the team and the coach by where we finish we also have to grade the AD the same way.



Vanderbilt Baseball renovations to focus on student-athlete experience | News | Vanderbilt University

First step 10 million, second step 2 million...




The trustees approved spending $4 million to begin designing the 4,500-seat Cliff Hagan Baseball Stadium.

Read more here: Trustees approve money for designs of new UK baseball stadium, renovation of tennis center | Lexington Herald-Leader


Alabama just got a new stadium...





A sneak peek of the view from Dudy Noble Field's Left Field Lofts



Swayze Field receiving $13 million upgrade by 2018




Though Foley Field's renovations will not be finished by season's opening, season will go on | Sports | redandblack.com




http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2015/jun/04/investment-baum-keeps-paying/





ALL OF THE STUFF ABOVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN OR HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. ('Cept Baum, placed for dramatic effect for what forward thinking can do.)


Even so...Arkansas made the CWS last year and is in next to last place in the West right now, and Van Horn might miss a regional for the first time in 14 years.


Tough League

South Carolina had made a regional every year since 2000, until last year. Had some significant injuries, but even a program with that kind of success can have a bad year.

However let's not forget this...

Holbrook earned and was handed the keys to a Ferrari. Serrano was given the keys to a burned out '72 VW Van.

BUT...but...It's been 5 years!

I know.

Believe me. I know.

We have a lame duck coach working without a contract and we haven't picked up a recruit for either the '17 or '18 class in months and we aren't likely to do so under these circumstances...so...

While the Vandy's and Florida's are working on 2019 classes and building club houses Major Leaguers can "come home to" here we sit...6th in the east...

Where everyone said we would be before the season started.

Go figure.


What The Hell Should We Do?

I dunno. We have the biggest class CDS has ever assembled lined up for 2016...so there's that.

We aren't going to land them all even if he stays, but how many do we lose if he's fired? How many take the draft over the unknown coach?

I dunno.

Should that be a consideration? I dunno.

In year two there will be a roster overhaul if we get a new coach, is that ok, bad, who cares? I dunno.

Who do you trust...well...who do you trust more? CDS or Dave Hart?

I dunno what we should do except...

ENJOY THE SEASON! ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES! The rest will play itself out, there's not a thing any of us can do anyway.


GBO!!!

What's the criteria for being near the bottom? LNS was renovated and expanded less than 10 years ago despite rarely filling it up at 3,500 seats. What's Serrano making; $500-600k? That has to be the upper half of SEC salaries.
 
What's the criteria for being near the bottom? LNS was renovated and expanded less than 10 years ago despite rarely filling it up at 3,500 seats. What's Serrano making; $500-600k? That has to be the upper half of SEC salaries.

What difference does it make if your facilities aren't up to the rest of the conference?

What difference does a salary make if all the recruits don't know if the coach that recruits them will be there?
 
What difference does it make if your facilities aren't up to the rest of the conference?

What difference does a salary make if all the recruits don't know if the coach that recruits them will be there?

Who says our facilities are behind? Have you been to games at other stadiums? I've been to several SEC baseball stadiums and after the renovations to LNS it rivals any of the ones I've been to. What's not seen by the common person may be the difference but I doubt any of us here are privy to everything underneath the seats.

The hiring salary is what I was referring to. Dropping $500k on a coach 5 years ago was more than an aggressive salary. And shooting for a name like Serrano was a far cry from what UT sports as a whole and baseball specifically has been used to. I don't know how that was not showing a financial commitment to baseball.
 
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Who says our facilities are behind? Have you been to games at other stadiums? I've been to several SEC baseball stadiums and after the renovations to LNS it rivals any of the ones I've been to. What's not seen by the common person may be the difference but I doubt any of us here are privy to everything underneath the seats.

The hiring salary is what I was referring to. Dropping $500k on a coach 5 years ago was more than an aggressive salary. And shooting for a name like Serrano was a far cry from what UT sports as a whole and baseball specifically has been used to. I don't know how that was not showing a financial commitment to baseball.

That's why I linked all the articles, so anyone who cares to take the time can look at the plans for either what has just happened or is about to happen facilities wise in SEC baseball...and I'm not sure I'm even being comprehensive.

Serrano left Cal State Fullerton...He wanted this job, we didn't attract him, he wanted to come here. Some say he wanted the job when Raleigh got it. Either way, UCI or CSF are better jobs and anyone who follows baseball knows it and much of that has to do with where the University of Tennessee commits it's resources.
 
That's why I linked all the articles, so anyone who cares to take the time can look at the plans for either what has just happened or is about to happen facilities wise in SEC baseball...and I'm not sure I'm even being comprehensive.

Serrano left Cal State Fullerton...He wanted this job, we didn't attract him, he wanted to come here. Some say he wanted the job when Raleigh got it. Either way, UCI or CSF are better jobs and anyone who follows baseball knows it and much of that has to do with where the University of Tennessee commits it's resources.

It may be time to update again...ok. It's not like we've done nothing since the 80's. The renovation was completed roughly 5 years ago. These schools now updating and renovating didn't do so 5 yrs ago. Our football facility is already "outdated". You can't update every time someone else does.

So he would've come for $150k? If we hadn't ponied up the money he wouldn't have left SoCal.

Part of this falls on the fans too. LSU, MSU, OM can all spend money and willingly do so cause they have 10k fans show up every Fri, Sat and Sun. Even when UT is good they don't show up like that. My first year at UT was the 2005 CWS team. There was only 2-3 games all season that had more than 3k fans in attendance. For a team that finished 2nd in the SEC. When I attended Hoover that year for the first time, we had less fans than any other fanbase despite having one of the best chances to win the whole thing. The fans don't care about baseball why should the administration.
 
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It may be time to update again...ok. It's not like we've done nothing since the 80's. The renovation was completed roughly 5 years ago. These schools now updating and renovating didn't do so 5 yrs ago. Our football facility is already "outdated". You can't update every time someone else does.

So he would've come for $150k? If we hadn't ponied up the money he wouldn't have left SoCal.

My own personal opinion is that he would have come for that kind of money...he may regret it now...if you watched yesterday's postgame, "learning the hard way."

As I posted the other day I'd love to know what our budget for recruiting is compared to our brethren, love to know how the scholarship money is allocated, love to know how much former players have to do with the program, love to know if our dungeon is comparable, batting cages etc...what can we offer Raby that VU can't?
 
It may be time to update again...ok. It's not like we've done nothing since the 80's. The renovation was completed roughly 5 years ago. These schools now updating and renovating didn't do so 5 yrs ago. Our football facility is already "outdated". You can't update every time someone else does.

So he would've come for $150k? If we hadn't ponied up the money he wouldn't have left SoCal.

Part of this falls on the fans too. LSU, MSU, OM can all spend money and willingly do so cause they have 10k fans show up every Fri, Sat and Sun. Even when UT is good they don't show up like that. My first year at UT was the 2005 CWS team. There was only 2-3 games all season that had more than 3k fans in attendance. For a team that finished 2nd in the SEC. When I attended Hoover that year for the first time, we had less fans than any other fanbase despite having one of the best chances to win the whole thing. The fans don't care about baseball why should the administration.

I don't know the answer to your edit except to say, the AD sets the tone...if the AD is willing to flounder the fans are smart enough not to invest.
 
My own personal opinion is that he would have come for that kind of money...he may regret it now...if you watched yesterday's postgame, "learning the hard way."

As I posted the other day I'd love to know what our budget for recruiting is compared to our brethren, love to know how the scholarship money is allocated, love to know how much former players have to do with the program, love to know if our dungeon is comparable, batting cages etc...what can we offer Raby that VU can't?

Facilities we sit in the middle of the league IMO. Equal to Vandy fwiw

Recruiting budget I would bet is pretty much limitless. I would wager our staff can go wherever whenever they want without any regard to $ spent.

Scholarship $ we get screwed on royally but that has nothing to do with administration. That's a school wide thing

No idea on former players
 
Facilities we sit in the middle of the league IMO. Equal to Vandy fwiw

Recruiting budget I would bet is pretty much limitless. I would wager our staff can go wherever whenever they want without any regard to $ spent.

Scholarship $ we get screwed on royally but that has nothing to do with administration. That's a school wide thing

No idea on former players

There is no way we are going to be equal to Vandy by the start of next season...no way.
 

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