Possible to get double bye still?

#26
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golfballs said:
If Ole Miss loses and we win, we will be tied with them. And those two losses will factor in to the tie-break scenario.
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But both teams get a bye so it don't matter if we lose a tie breaker to them. That's all I was saying. They don't matter when it comes to getting a double bye.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
But both teams get a bye so it don't matter if we lose a tie breaker to them. That's all I was saying. They don't matter when it comes to getting a double bye.
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If we win and they lose, we won't get a double-bye
 
#30
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tennesseekilt said:
None of that matters. We don't want a bye. Assuming we can beat Missouri, what we want is a 20th win against a relatively 'easy' team. Then, a 21st win against somebody not named Florida, then a semi-final appearance with 21 wins. Winning that one would be gravy, but I think we make the tourney with 2 SECT wins. So, it's actually better for us not to get the SECT bye.
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Kinda like your strategery (think GW Bush here). Keep eyes on the NCAA tourney prize. An SEC title would be gravy, but lets get to 21 wins and go dancing.
 
#31
#31
golfballs said:
Why? Beating a bottle-barrel SEC team isn't going to help us at all.
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Yes it will. Our biggest weakness on our resume is lack of wins, beating anyone at this point will make us look better. You compare our resume and it's better than say UVA who is in, but our total wins are hurting us. Get to 20 and we are in imo
 
#34
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Shaun1985 said:
lol. Clearly a typo. I've been calling the Tigers over Ole Miss for two weeks now. I knew they played. My apologies.
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I thought you meant to say ole miss and that's why I ask. All the tie breaker possibilities are way over my head.
 
#37
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utvolz98 said:
This. Some people think they know more than they do.
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And you contributing to this conversation how? By reading and making an observations. Maybe you can help explain how Ole Miss matters to our bye and explain the tie breaker to me since you appear to know me than I do.
 
#38
#38
Shaun, you need to revisit the standings and read the SEC tie-break policy.

I think the only scenario in which Ole Miss can lose and we'll still get a double bye is if Kentucky loses out, Bama loses, and we beat Missouri.

That would cause a 5-way tie for 2nd. And the record among those teams are as follows:
UK - 3-2
Bama - 2-3
Ole Miss - 4-2
UT - 3-4
Mizzou - 2-3

We would come in 3rd among those teams which would result in a 4 seed and a double-bye
 
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#39
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes it will. Our biggest weakness on our resume is lack of wins, beating anyone at this point will make us look better. You compare our resume and it's better than say UVA who is in, but our total wins are hurting us. Get to 20 and we are in imo
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I disagree. Beating Vanderbilt again won't do anything to help us. But losing would absolutely kill us. Not worth the risk.

We need a quality win.
 
#40
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golfballs said:
Shaun, you need to revisit the standings and read the SEC tie-break policy. If Ole Miss loses, there is no way we get a double-bye.

I think the only scenario in which Ole Miss can lose and we'll still get a double bye is if Kentucky loses out, Bama loses, and we beat Missouri.

That would cause a 5-way tie for 2nd. And the record among those teams are as follows:
UK - 3-2
Bama - 2-3
Ole Miss - 4-2
UT - 3-4
Mizzou - 2-3

We would come in 3rd among those teams which would result in a 4 seed and a double-bye
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There is the confusion then. I was counting a 4 way tie for 3rd. And in that case, it gives UT 2 wins, Mizzou 2 wins with us winning the head to head matchup. Ole Miss clearly has the better record but in that scenario, Ole Miss and Tennessee both get byes. The only way we have a 5 way tie is Kentucky going 0-2. Am I missing something with the tie breaker policy? I thought it was head to head matchups in a two way tie, combined record with all that's tied and then the record against the division leader.
 
#41
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BruinVol said:
I thought you meant to say ole miss and that's why I ask. All the tie breaker possibilities are way over my head.
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My bad man. I didn't mean mean to type LSU. But honestly, all of this talk is silly because Bama is solid at Coleman and Georgia probably won't even be close in that game.
 
#42
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Shaun1985 said:
There is the confusion then. I was counting a 4 way tie for 3rd. And in that case, it gives UT 2 wins, Mizzou 2 wins with us winning the head to head matchup. Ole Miss clearly has the better record but in that scenario, Ole Miss and Tennessee both get byes. The only way we have a 5 way tie is Kentucky going 0-2. Am I missing something with the tie breaker policy? I thought it was head to head matchups in a two way tie, combined record with all that's tied and then the record against the division leader.
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If there are more than 2 teams that are tied, it's settled using your win percentage among those teams.

That's why those 2 losses would likely knock us out of a double-bye
 
#43
#43
golfballs said:
We could still get a 3 seed.

If Ole Miss beats LSU, UK loses out, Bama loses to Georgia, and we beat Missouri, then the standings would be:

Florida 15-3
Ole Miss 12-6
UT 11-7
Bama 11-7
UK 11-7
Mizzou 11-7

Being tied with UK, Bama, and Mizzou would give us a record of 3-2 against those teams. Bama would be 2-2, UK 2-2, Mizzou 1-2.
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This.
 
#44
#44
golfballs said:
If there are more than 2 teams that are tied, it's settled using your win percentage among those teams.

That's why those 2 losses would likely knock us out of a double-bye
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So in that case, even if we beat Mizzou, because they haven't played as many of the teams tied and have the same number of victories, their percentage would be higher. That makes no sense from a head to head matchup if we just beat them. I guess because each team doesn't play the same teams each year, it's the only fair way to do it. That and I'm looking at 2011 because I thought you counted head to head matchups and wins.
 
#45
#45
golfballs said:
I disagree. Beating Vanderbilt again won't do anything to help us. But losing would absolutely kill us. Not worth the risk.

We need a quality win.
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I disagree completely, but agree to disagree I guess.

We have more quality wins than most other bubble teams, better SOS, and less bad losses...the biggest mark is total wins.
 
#46
#46
golfballs said:
We could still get a 3 seed.

If Ole Miss beats LSU, UK loses out, Bama loses to Georgia, and we beat Missouri, then the standings would be:

Florida 15-3
Ole Miss 12-6
UT 11-7
Bama 11-7
UK 11-7
Mizzou 11-7

Being tied with UK, Bama, and Mizzou would give us a record of 3-2 against those teams. Bama would be 2-2, UK 2-2, Mizzou 1-2.
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This scenario would have us playing Missouri likely on our first game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I disagree completely, but agree to disagree I guess.

We have more quality wins than most other bubble teams, better SOS, and less bad losses...the biggest mark is total wins.
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I think you are both right. We need wins, but that game would definitely be a high risk-low reward game.
 
#48
#48
bleedingTNorange said:
I disagree completely, but agree to disagree I guess.

We have more quality wins than most other bubble teams, better SOS, and less bad losses...the biggest mark is total wins.
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I think total wins are way overrated. But agree to disagree.
 
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