Possible to get double bye still?

#51
#51
leftfield34 said:
I think you are both right. We need wins, but that game would definitely be a high risk-low reward game.
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If we are saying Tennessee needs 2 wins...do you feel better of our chance of beating Vanderbilt and then Ole Miss...or Ole Miss and then Florida? That's my point.
 
#53
#53
bleedingTNorange said:
If we are saying Tennessee needs 2 wins...do you feel better of our chance of beating Vanderbilt and then Ole Miss...or Ole Miss and then Florida? That's my point.
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Where are you getting this from? I have never ever heard of any selection committee justification of picking bubble teams based on total wins. They look at WHO you beat. Vandy is irrelevant
 
#54
#54
golfballs said:
Like who?
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VIRGINIA

RPI: 64
SOS: 112
OOC: 299
Conf. SOS: 73
Good Wins: #1 Duke, #21 North Carolina, #26 Wisconsin, #27 N.C. State
Bad Losses: #127 Deleware, #129 Georgia Tech, #156 George Mason, #165 Clemson, #168 Wake Forest, #315 Old Dominion, #131 Boston College
Last 10: 6-4
W/L 1-50: 4-2
W/L 51-100: 3-0
W/L 101-200: 7-6
W/L 200+: 6-1

TENNESSEE

RPI: 56
SOS: 36
OOC SOS: 36
Conf. SOS: 75
Good Wins: #6 Florida, #40 Wichita State
Bad Losses: #128 Georgia x 2
Last 10: 7-3
W/L 1-50: 2-3
W/L 51-100: 6-6
W/L 101-200: 3-2
W/L 201+: 6-0
 
#56
#56
golfballs said:
Where are you getting this from? I have never ever heard of any selection committee justification of picking bubble teams based on total wins. They look at WHO you beat. Vandy is irrelevant
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How many 18 or 19 win teams can you find me that have gotten in? It's like the RPI, the committe says its not used to determine in or out, yet there's a certain bench mark that seems to draw the line on auto bids and RPI.

You think we need a quality win, I don't, simple as that.
 
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#59
#59
bleedingTNorange said:
VIRGINIA

RPI: 64
SOS: 112
OOC: 299
Conf. SOS: 73
Good Wins: #1 Duke, #21 North Carolina, #26 Wisconsin, #27 N.C. State
Bad Losses: #127 Deleware, #129 Georgia Tech, #156 George Mason, #165 Clemson, #168 Wake Forest, #315 Old Dominion, #131 Boston College
Last 10: 6-4
W/L 1-50: 4-2
W/L 51-100: 3-0
W/L 101-200: 7-6
W/L 200+: 6-1

TENNESSEE

RPI: 56
SOS: 36
OOC SOS: 36
Conf. SOS: 75
Good Wins: #6 Florida, #40 Wichita State
Bad Losses: #128 Georgia x 2
Last 10: 7-3
W/L 1-50: 2-3
W/L 51-100: 6-6
W/L 101-200: 3-2
W/L 201+: 6-0
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I wouldn't say UVA is a lock to make the tournament.

But they have more quality wins than us. 2 wins vs. Top 25, 4 wins vs Top 50, they are 7-2 vs. the top 100 where as we don't even have a winning record against the same group. They also have a winning record vs the Top 150, where we are merely a .500 team.

They've lost to worse teams than us, but more importantly they've beaten more quality opponents than we have. That is why a win vs. Vanderbilt is meaningless. We need better wins on our resume. There's a reason Lunardi didn't move us down after losing to UGA
 
#61
#61
I agree with both pretty much. Usually, 20-21 wins is enough playing a touch OOC schedule and getting some big conference wins. They almost go hand in hand. I think we can all agree that if we don't land some pretty decent wins in the tournament, nobody is going to sleep good on the Saturday night before Selection Sunday. We need wins. I don't care if it's numbers or tough teams...just win baby!
 
#62
#62
golfballs said:
I wouldn't say UVA is a lock to make the tournament.

But they have more quality wins than us. 2 wins vs. Top 25, 4 wins vs Top 50, they are 7-2 vs. the top 100 where as we don't even have a winning record against the same group. They also have a winning record vs the Top 150, where we are merely a .500 team.

They've lost to worse teams than us, but more importantly they've beaten more quality opponents than we have. That is why a win vs. Vanderbilt is meaningless. We need better wins on our resume. There's a reason Lunardi didn't move us down after losing to UGA
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I disagree completely, but we'll see where we stand after Saturday. If everyone's saying just 1 win which I've heard a lot we'll know.

As for quality wins, UMASS wins tonight and now weve got 3 quality wins to UVAs 4...and a WHOLE lot less bad losses.
 
#64
#64
bleedingTNorange said:
I disagree completely, but we'll see where we stand after Saturday. If everyone's saying just 1 win which I've heard a lot we'll know.

As for quality wins, UMASS wins tonight and now weve got 3 quality wins to UVAs 4...and a WHOLE lot less bad losses.
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What do you disagree with? The records I stated are facts. And if UVA gets in and we don't it will be because of their record against better teams. Not because they reached an arbitrary goal of having 20 wins.
 
#66
#66
UK is a conundrum. If they sneak into the top 50, it looks better on our resume, but it would also likely mean a better chance of them getting into the tournament. I feel like if they beat UGA, and lose to Florida, theres a chance it could happen that wouldn't adversely affect their position in relation to us.
 
#67
#67
BTO, like you mentioned, if we get a 3 seed, we would play Mizzou. I would hate to play them back to back. It would also happen if we were a 4 seed resulting from a UK split, and Bama loss.

If we earn the 4 by way of a UK getting swept, and Bama beating UGA, our first opponent would be UK.

However, if you get your wish and we don't earn a double-bye. There is a reasonable chance we could play Ole Miss in our 2nd game. I would much prefer this to any of the previous scenarios. Beating a fellow bubble team would be a huge step into getting into the dance and it's almost impossible to beat a team like us 3 times in a season. I also think Ole Miss is worse than UK.

From this line of reasoning, I could definitely agree with you that we don't want a double-bye. I think the best case scenario might be to get the 6 or 7 seed and play either Ole Miss or Bama in our 2nd game.
 
#68
#68
golfballs said:
What do you disagree with? The records I stated are facts. And if UVA gets in and we don't it will be because of their record against better teams. Not because they reached an arbitrary goal of having 20 wins.
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So if UMASS wins tonight and they become a top 50 win for us we have 3 and UVA has 4 quality wins. We have 2 bad losses and they have 5....yet they're considered pretty solidly in by most, and we're last team in or out by most??

I just think that "20 win mark" is somewhat true, shouldn't be, but I feel it matters.
 
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#70
#70
golfballs said:
BTO, like you mentioned, if we get a 3 seed, we would play Mizzou. I would hate to play them back to back. It would also happen if we were a 4 seed resulting from a UK split, and Bama loss.

If we earn the 4 by way of a UK getting swept, and Bama beating UGA, our first opponent would be UK.

However, if you get your wish and we don't earn a double-bye. There is a reasonable chance we could play Ole Miss in our 2nd game. I would much prefer this to any of the previous scenarios. Beating a fellow bubble team would be a huge step into getting into the dance and it's almost impossible to beat a team like us 3 times in a season. I also think Ole Miss is worse than UK.

From this line of reasoning, I could definitely agree with you that we don't want a double-bye. I think the best case scenario might be to get the 6 or 7 seed and play either Ole Miss or Bama in our 2nd game.
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I agree :hi:
 
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#72
#72
I hope we get Ole Miss on Friday. Call me crazy but I don't think they beat this team 3 times. The book is out on Marshall Henderson and we should be very motivated after his little comments after our last game. I remember after that game I had pretty much wrote off our chance at a NCAA bid. My only hope was that somehow UT would draw Ole Miss in the SEC and knock them out of the SEC and NCAA.
 
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#73
#73
TennesseeFan07 said:
What would it take for Tennessee to get a six seed?
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If Ole Miss loses, it's almost certain that we would be a 6 seed (of course assuming we beat Mizzou). The only way under those conditions that we wouldn't is if UK gets swept and Bama loses.

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I'm wrong. If UK splits, Ole Miss loses, and we win, then we would get a 5 seed. Regardless of what Bama does.

If Bama wins:
1 - Florida
2 - Bama
3 - UK
4 - Ole Miss
5 - UT
6 - Mizzou
(Ole Miss would be 2nd round opp)

if Bama loses:
1 - Florida
2 - UK
3 - Ole Miss
4 - Mizzou
5 - UT
6 - Bama
(Mizzou would be 2nd round opp)
 
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#74
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golfballs said:
If Ole Miss loses, it's almost certain that we would be a 6 seed (of course assuming we beat Mizzou). The only way under those conditions that we wouldn't is if UK gets swept and Bama loses.
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Picture should be clear after tonight...part of me feels UK may lose.
 
#75
#75
I was wrong about a 6 seed.

If UK gets swept, Ole Miss loses, and Bama wins the seeding would be:
1 - Florida
2 - Bama
3 - UK
4 - Ole Miss
5 - UT
6 - Mizzou

So unless I'm missing out on a scenario, there is no way we can beat Mizzou and get a 6 seed.

The bottom line is if we win and ole miss loses, we will be a 5 seed.
 
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