Potential BCS antitrust case (merged)

[tvolsfan]

As per usual, this thread became a HURR DURR WHY IZ BIG GUMMIT TRYING TO RUIN OUR FOOTBALL HERP A DERP




The justice department is getting involved because they believe that the BCS may be breaking a law. They'll investigate, and then settle the matter.

I don't think they really have a great argument.

 

[Redstater]

This Justice Dept activity really puts my mind at ease knowing that our Attorney General has his priorities straight. That, and his continuing investigation of enhanced interrogation techniques used to prevent terrorists attacks. The SOB ought to be considered for heading up the NCAA after his boss in retired in 2012.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

So we should just let the BCS violate the law of the land?

Turn a blind eye because they make money for the chosen schools?

Seems kinda like the NCAA ignoring Auburns cheating because they were the NCAA cash cow last season.


There are plenty of investigators within the multi-agency DOJ to handle this investigation.

If it was Tennessee that was getting overlooked, you guys would be cryin like babies over injustice.

See any multiple Tressel threads in this forum

What law is being violated?

 

[vol-un-tear]

The DOJ shoud do their job. Go secure the border or something. I would love a playoff system but not at the governments expense.
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[strongtower]

For those not familiar with how they work. One is labeled unfair business practice. It's based on certain business's cop blocking another business all the while collecting most of the business. It is a very serious law and will get you shut down quickly with very hefty fines. Does this sound familiar?

Sorry but either let all the major players move to their own division or let all play for title even though some may not deserve it. how do you solve it? Go by rankings not conference. It's a fair market then.

 

[BJWeeks]

An 8 team playoff in college football would bring in so much money and the ratings would go through the roof! What would you rather see and opening around playoff game or the papa johns bowl?
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[strongtower]

An 8 team playoff in college football would bring in so much money and the ratings would go through the roof! What would you rather see and opening around playoff game or the papa johns bowl?
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I don't know the "polish weed eater bowl" a few years ago was a blockbuster lol:
Still can't believe auburn went there

 

[CountVolcula]

What law is being violated?

United States antitrust law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[strongtower]

The BCS is violating the anti-trust law called unfair business practice. It is where a certain group of companies cop block a company or companies from getting business. Sounds just like our little system called the BCS. Usually this can be hard to prove but this one is a slam dunk.

 

[HLH91govols]

woohoo speculation!!!!! teams need to quit complaining and deal with the way it is. If they change it great! I'm all for a playoff but the current system does reward teams who win. If you aren't winning, you don't have much say in the matter.

 

[ballavol32]

More Bowls = More money! I think they should somehow keep the bowls while incorporating a 8-team playoff. I also think they are probably going to have to keep some form of a BCS/opinion-based poll in order to distinguish the top 8 seeds in the playoff.

Still keep the bcs standings the top 8 teams in the playoffs use the current bcs bowls as sponsors for the 4 Playoff games and rotate the sponsor of the championship every season like they use to do all the teams bowl eligible not in the playoffs could play in the other bowls and nobody loses money if anything bowls and the schools r gaining money thts just my opinion
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[Ohio Vol]

Let's use the argument of how exciting the NCAA basketball tournament is to try to carry over to football. (I'm going to make this post fisk-friendly).

Now let's talk about how many of those arenas are filled to 40% capacity for the first two rounds of the tournament in a venue that holds one-fifth as many people as a college football stadium.

Let's also talk about how many of those NCAA tournament games fall in cheaper travel times than Thanksgiving through New Year's.

Let's talk about how ridiculous a heck of a lot of first- and second-round matchups are in the basketball tournament. 1 v 16...what a thriller. We can have the same thing in football....like the consensus #1 team going against the Sun Belt champion!

Let's talk about how much more exciting the basketball season has become, what with 68 teams making a tournament.

Let's talk about how there's no controversy in basketball over who gets selected and who gets snubbed.

For that matter, let's talk about how anything that isn't "the main event" is pushed to the backburner where no one watches. Keep the bowls AND run a playoff? It's bad enough that a bowl game involving a MAC team inevitably sees the commentators spending the entire second half talking about a different game that's still two weeks away.

Let's talk about how more small-conference teams in football have risen to prominence in the BCS era than small- to mid-conference teams have in basketball during the same time frame.

Here's the real problem that too many choose to address. There is no LOGICAL and LOGISTICAL way to get a D-1A playoff. It has to involve 16 teams (11 conference champions, since picking and choosing which conferences see their champion with an automatic bid is already an issue). Now come up with a way to address the fact that the first round games may well be empty even if it's a home game, since a school with a large student base that doesn't commute will be decimated by finals and the move-out. Try to imagine a place like Pullman, WA when there's no one on the Wazzou campus.

 

[tvolsfan]

A 16 team playoff would really, really suck. Any playoff with auto-bids would suck.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

More big gov't sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.

 

[rockytop9808]

This Justice Dept activity really puts my mind at ease knowing that our Attorney General has his priorities straight. That, and his continuing investigation of enhanced interrogation techniques used to prevent terrorists attacks. The SOB ought to be considered for heading up the NCAA after his boss in retired in 2012.

Hate to break it to you, but the DoJ is in existence to enforce the laws of the US.

College football is a huge moneymaking business, and is, in the opinion of many, operating a system that essentially shuts out smaller programs from smaller conferences. They've created what could be considered a trust, and, therefore, the circumstance warrants an investigation.

But of course, all the Obama hate throws the blinders on the rednecks everywhere, so they can't process simple things.

 

[milohimself]

I don't think the 4 big bowls will settle for being runners up every year. These 4 stadiums have a little too much power in the matter.

They already are runners-up. Only one bowl game matters.

There is little to no support among BCS university presidents for a playoff system. Until something or someone changes their minds, you will not see a playoff.

fyp

Hate to break it to you, but the DoJ is in existence to enforce the laws of the US.

College football is a huge moneymaking business, and is, in the opinion of many, operating a system that essentially shuts out smaller programs from smaller conferences. They've created what could be considered a trust, and, therefore, the circumstance warrants an investigation.

But of course, all the Obama hate throws the blinders on the rednecks everywhere, so they can't process simple things.

Pretty much how I see it. Stuff like this pulls bumpkins out of the woodwork who think government should have nothing to do with any more than roads, military and emergency services. And even that might be stretching it. Some folks need to brush up on exactly what anti-trust law is, why it is important and how it relates to the BCS and the significant market of college football.

 

[DjCrenshaw]

They already are runners-up. Only one bowl game matters. QUOTE]

Well I still say that everyone marks their season on whether or not they make it to one of the big five games at the end. Those bowls take turns holding the biggest game of the year, and they get to make the biggest decisions year in and year out. Plus one or eight team play-off will be decided by BCS prez's and those same four bowls.

 

[DjCrenshaw]

Pretty much how I see it. Stuff like this pulls bumpkins out of the woodwork who think government should have nothing to do with any more than roads, military and emergency services. And even that might be stretching it. Some folks need to brush up on exactly what anti-trust law is, why it is important and how it relates to the BCS and the significant market of college football.

Bring back the Barons! Monopolies aren't much fun for everyone who isn't on park avenue. Swing the blanace of Gov. and big buisness.

 

[milohimself]

Well I still say that everyone marks their season on whether or not they make it to one of the big five games at the end. Those bowls take turns holding the biggest game of the year, and they get to make the biggest decisions year in and year out. Plus one or eight team play-off will be decided by BCS prez's and those same four bowls.

That's only if they do this of their own accord... Which they might. I think they'll see the writing on the wall and make some sort of compromise before this thing sees a court room.

 

[HawaiiVol]

Hate to break it to you, but the DoJ is in existence to enforce the laws of the US.

College football is a huge moneymaking business, and is, in the opinion of many, operating a system that essentially shuts out smaller programs from smaller conferences. They've created what could be considered a trust, and, therefore, the circumstance warrants an investigation.

But of course, all the Obama hate throws the blinders on the rednecks everywhere, so they can't process simple things.

Bingo.

Pretty cut and dry situation IMHO JMO

 

[kptvol]

Eric Holder sucks out loud, regardless of what you're stance is on playoffs vs. BCS.

 

[UTRavens]

Let's use the argument of how exciting the NCAA basketball tournament is to try to carry over to football. (I'm going to make this post fisk-friendly).

Now let's talk about how many of those arenas are filled to 40% capacity for the first two rounds of the tournament in a venue that holds one-fifth as many people as a college football stadium.

Let's also talk about how many of those NCAA tournament games fall in cheaper travel times than Thanksgiving through New Year's.

Let's talk about how ridiculous a heck of a lot of first- and second-round matchups are in the basketball tournament. 1 v 16...what a thriller. We can have the same thing in football....like the consensus #1 team going against the Sun Belt champion!

Let's talk about how much more exciting the basketball season has become, what with 68 teams making a tournament.

Let's talk about how there's no controversy in basketball over who gets selected and who gets snubbed.

For that matter, let's talk about how anything that isn't "the main event" is pushed to the backburner where no one watches. Keep the bowls AND run a playoff? It's bad enough that a bowl game involving a MAC team inevitably sees the commentators spending the entire second half talking about a different game that's still two weeks away.

Let's talk about how more small-conference teams in football have risen to prominence in the BCS era than small- to mid-conference teams have in basketball during the same time frame.

Here's the real problem that too many choose to address. There is no LOGICAL and LOGISTICAL way to get a D-1A playoff. It has to involve 16 teams (11 conference champions, since picking and choosing which conferences see their champion with an automatic bid is already an issue). Now come up with a way to address the fact that the first round games may well be empty even if it's a home game, since a school with a large student base that doesn't commute will be decimated by finals and the move-out. Try to imagine a place like Pullman, WA when there's no one on the Wazzou campus.

Let's talk about how BCS apologists will try to smear one particular playoff proposal and act like that somehow invalidates all of them, even though the worst playoff scenario is still infinitely better than the indefensible system known as the BCS.

 

[tvolsfan]

Let's talk about how BCS apologists will try to smear one particular playoff proposal and act like that somehow invalidates all of them, even though the worst playoff scenario is still infinitely better than the indefensible system known as the BCS.

Ridiculous.

4 team playoff would be much better than the BCS.
16 team playoff would be awful.

 

[strongtower]

Ridiculous.

4 team playoff would be much better than the BCS.
16 team playoff would be awful.

I say top 8 teams, this year it would of been 1 or less loss teams playing for it

I also say get rid of auto bids and conference only champs or you'll have teams like uconn taking a real teams place. Hey if there are 2 teams in top 8 from same conference they deserve to be there. In mid 90's UF and UT ruled the top 5 or less spots

 

[tvolsfan]

I say top 8 teams, this year it would of been 1 or less loss teams playing for it

I can't think of many years where more than 4 teams deserve a shot, and I doubt I could think of any years where 7 teams deserved a shot. 2007 was an ugly year, so that may be the best bet, but I still doubt that many teams deserved a chance.