(Potential) Chicago Riots

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ClearwaterVol said:
Even if he did, at the point in which he was shot that that particular threat was over. If somebody breaks in my house and holds me at gun point while he robs me and then leaves the house and is walking away... I cannot then shoot him and escape murder charges.
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Maybe if LG is your lawyer you can beat the charge. He can cause the judge's head to explode from his twisting of logic. Case dismissed.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Even if he did, at the point in which he was shot that that particular threat was over. If somebody breaks in my house and holds me at gun point while he robs me and then leaves the house and is walking away... I cannot then shoot him and escape murder charges.
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You are assuming that the officer would recognize that the threat was over, and you are doing so based on judging from the comfy confines of your home, in no danger, and watching a video from a different angle than the officer's.

Unless you can at least acknowledge that EVERYTHING is different in your vantage point than his, your opinion is worth nothing.
 
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Has Chicago not been burnt to the ground yet?

They obviously need step up their game. Ferguson is making them look like school girls....
 
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I am wondering why Obama has not gone on TV to condemn the police process that took over 1 year to get this to the surface? Maybe because his ole cronies are involved? Nah?
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
I am wondering why Obama has not gone on TV to condemn the police process that took over 1 year to get this to the surface? Maybe because his ole cronies are involved? Nah?
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Would Emanuel have survived his reelection bid if it had been released back in April 2015? That is my biggest question on why it took so long?
 
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Obsessed said:
No. Oklahoma.

Castle doctrine applies to my vehicle along with my land. I can shoot you for trespassing.
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You better do some reading before you start shooting trespassers or people that break into your car...


PHYSICAL OR DEADLY FORCE AGAINST INTRUDER

A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes or places of business.

B. A person or an owner, manager or employee of a business is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

1. The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or a place of business, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against the will of that person from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or place of business; and

2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

C. The presumption set forth in subsection B of this section does not apply if:

1. The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not a protective order from domestic violence in effect or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;

2. The person or persons sought to be removed are children or grandchildren, or are otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or

3. The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or place of business to further an unlawful activity.

D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

E. A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle of another person, or a place of business is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
F. A person who uses force, as permitted pursuant to the provisions of subsections B and D of this section, is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes charging or prosecuting the defendant.

G. A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force, but the law enforcement agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

H. The court shall award reasonable attorney fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection F of this section.

I. The provisions of this section and the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1290.1 through 1290.26 of this title, shall not be construed to require any person using a pistol pursuant to the provisions of this section to be licensed in any manner.

J. As used in this section:

1. “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people;

2. “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest; and

3. “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.





You can be prosecuted for shooting trespassers and people breaking into an unoccupied vehicle.
 
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Compare with Texas

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.
 
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Obsessed said:
You break in to mine, I'm going to shoot you.
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Mine too. Until I am out of ammo, cause you know it was dark and I didn't know if I hit you or not.

Edit. I thought we were talking bout homes
 
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lawgator1 said:
And now new video is out from officer's car showing that he was called out and was trying to catch hm for up to 30 seconds before hand. The kid was breaking into cars, and stabbing tires. Calls were coming in because he was scaring people.

Those of you who jumped to conclusions on the first video, only, are proven wrong, yet again.
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When are they going to release the Burger King surveillance video? Why did the cops feel the need to take it in the first place? And why did they settle for $5 million with the biological mother, even though she didn't have custody of him at the time?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are assuming that the officer would recognize that the threat was over, and you are doing so based on judging from the comfy confines of your home, in no danger, and watching a video from a different angle than the officer's.

Unless you can at least acknowledge that EVERYTHING is different in your vantage point than his, your opinion is worth nothing.
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A knife wielding suspect that far away isn't much of a threat.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
A knife wielding suspect that far away isn't much of a threat.
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He's not responding to commands, he has broken in to cars and people felt threatened by him. I suppose you think they should have just let him walk away....

And when he killed someone down the street, you'd be screaming, "how could they just let the drugged up guy with a knife just walk away!!"
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
When are they going to release the Burger King surveillance video? Why did the cops feel the need to take it in the first place? And why did they settle for $5 million with the biological mother, even though she didn't have custody of him at the time?
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I hope they do release the Burger King video. I always wondered how they made the Whopper taste like charcoal.
 
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