Potential shipping strike on the East Coast.

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So.... now that those greedy longshoremen extracted an additional 12% out of the dock operators, what is the opinion of them? I think we can all agree that Daggett is a thug, but what about the rank and file worker? Good guys? Bad guys? Does anyone care anymore since the cheap Chinese **** is now bound for your local Walmart?

And it is apparently a tentative agreement which means the rank and file still have to vote on it. The thug will send it to them, but it could still be rejected.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
So.... now that those greedy longshoremen extracted an additional 12% out of the dock operators, what is the opinion of them? I think we can all agree that Daggett is a thug, but what about the rank and file worker? Good guys? Bad guys? Does anyone care anymore since the cheap Chinese **** is now bound for your local Walmart?

And it is apparently a tentative agreement which means the rank and file still have to vote on it. The thug will send it to them, but it could still be rejected.
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Unions are corrupt, I've worked with and around unions quite a bit over the last 30+ years and I've never ran across a "good" one.
 
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Cod said:
Unions are corrupt, I've worked with and around unions quite a bit over the last 30+ years and I've never ran across a "good" one.
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Get rid of corporations and you probably wouldn't need them. The issue is, once the world went to artificial entities this caused considerable distortions in traditional markets.
 
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Cod said:
Unions are corrupt, I've worked with and around unions quite a bit over the last 30+ years and I've never ran across a "good" one.
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What does this even mean? I'll agree that a lot of union leadership are corrupt, but the unions themselves? How so? I'm a member of a union and I hate the leadership, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
What does this even mean? I'll agree that a lot of union leadership are corrupt, but the unions themselves? How so? I'm a member of a union and I hate the leadership, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement.
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Union ppl aren't the nicest ppl to work around, what I do they don't want to do but always interfering with what I do. Cut cords, hoses, shut off equipment etc. etc. etc the list goes on typical small time mob ****. Minor inconveniences but it costs money and time.

I don't have a soft spot for unions, just me. Do I think myself and any union guy could sit down and have a beer yes, but put them in room with other union ppl and they get stupid especially when they think you're trespassing on their stuff.

Just my experience
 
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volbound1700 said:
Won't happen. Government loves Corporations because they can regulate and tax them. (i.e. Control them).
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Oh, I am not saying anyone is getting rid of them... post 1900 society would come to an end. All I am saying is unions are more or less the solution to the problem humans created. Than humans complain about the solutions they created.
 
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Cod said:
Union ppl aren't the nicest ppl to work around, what I do they don't want to do but always interfering with what I do. Cut cords, hoses, shut off equipment etc. etc. etc the list goes on typical small time mob ****. Minor inconveniences but it costs money and time.

I don't have a soft spot for unions, just me. Do I think myself and any union guy could sit down and have a beer yes, but put them in room with other union ppl and they get stupid especially when they think you're trespassing on their stuff.

Just my experience
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There is a lot of vagueness in this response.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
There is a lot of vagueness in this response.
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I'm not in a union, when I'm there doing my specialized work that I do that they do not want to perform or have any part of they constantly ******* with me. (wow you can't even space out a cuss word lol)

They don't want me there, but they don't want to do the work, so they deploy ****** practices of typical union ******** when dealing with non union ppl.

Thing is they need me there, but they're so blinded by their "I'M UNION STRONG UNION PROUD" ******** they can't see it.

That's it, bad subject should of just kept my mouth shut. There was a time this country needed unions but that time has come, passed and was buried with Hoffa..... just my opinion and life experiences.
 
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Cod said:
I'm not in a union, when I'm there doing my specialized work that I do that they do not want to perform or have any part of they constantly ******* with me. (wow you can't even space out a cuss word lol)

They don't want me there, but they don't want to do the work, so they deploy ****** practices of typical union ******** when dealing with non union ppl.

Thing is they need me there, but they're so blinded by their "I'M UNION STRONG UNION PROUD" ******** they can't see it.

That's it, bad subject should of just kept my mouth shut. There was a time this country needed unions but that time has come, passed and was buried with Hoffa..... just my opinion and life experiences.
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What are their reasons for messing with you? Why don't they want you there? I don't buy the 'union strong union proud' thing as being their 'reason'. What is it that you do that they are not interested in doing? Is it highly specialized?

I hope you will continue the discussion because it is very interesting (to me anyway). I was forced to join the union when I got hired. Thru collective bargaining, my compensation has been very good for most of my career. They lost a fumble when my company declared bankruptcy, and they recently stabbed me in the back (which is why I resigned from full membership). But they have had their purpose. I hate the union, and I despise the leadership.. But if we didn't have it, I wouldn't have made half of what I did over my career.
 
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