Prayers for So and So

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wildnkrazykat said:
God hears all prayers of the righteous (Prov 15:29).

I've never been a parent, so I've never lost a child. I know this will sound more callous than intended, but it's a misnomer that we think a child is/should be exempt from death because they are "innocent". That's in direct contradiction with what the Bible says in Rom 3:23 that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

I also believe there are things we aren't able to understand and will never understand. I think that's one thing about God that frustrates most people. In our own pride/arrogance/narcissism we can't comprehend that there are things that are beyond the scope of our comprehension.
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I agree. God commanding Saul to kill women and children is a head scratcher
 
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vols 30 said:
Ok. Let's say you have a sick child, you pray, but he died anyway. Did God not listen?
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He did listen, and He did answer. The thing you have to understand is that whether the child lives or he dies he was healed from God's point of view. He created us to be eternal beings, and the moment we die our soul goes to be in the presence of Jesus if we are covered by the blood.
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We should pray and ask the Lord to heal the sick, understand that the healing could be through intervention by God, the natural healing of the body, or the work of a doctor through surgery and/or medicine. Either way, God is the one who miraculously works.
 
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There is a threshold of tithing in many churches these days. More might attend if there was no expectation of dropping anything in the plate when it is passed around. I don't go for other reasons, just trying to think why some might not attend.
 
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Slydell said:
There is a threshold of tithing in many churches these days. More might attend if there was no expectation of dropping anything in the plate when it is passed around. I don't go for other reasons, just trying to think why some might not attend.
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We started going to a church a few years ago that we really liked, but they started really harping on 10% tithing (after taxes) after a while, every single week so we left
 
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Prayer is like being on this forum all the time and without hitting the submit reply. Open dialogue throughout the day with the creator and it does not have to start with dear Heavenly Father and end with in Jesus name , Amen. Just talk.... Communicate with Him. After all, Christ came for a relationship and not a religion.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
Prayer is like being on this forum all the time and without hitting the submit reply. Open dialogue throughout the day with the creator and it does not have to start with dear Heavenly Father and end with in Jesus name , Amen. Just talk.... Communicate with Him. After all, Christ came for a relationship and not a religion.
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I've been preaching this for years. Perfectly stated.
 
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DyronNix said:
At its essence, for me anyway, prayer is not about sending a request to a cosmic vending machine in the sky. It isn't a list of wants or demands.

Rather it is asking that God's will be done AND THEN thereafter that all affected parties have peace, comfort and understanding with whatever God's will is.

For some things, there is no reasonable explanation that will make sense to a human's mind. We can't understand the larger picture. So, in those moments, I ask God to help me get through it as best I can.
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Well said.
 
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DyronNix said:
At its essence, for me anyway, prayer is not about sending a request to a cosmic vending machine in the sky. It isn't a list of wants or demands.

Rather it is asking that God's will be done AND THEN thereafter that all affected parties have peace, comfort and understanding with whatever God's will is.

For some things, there is no reasonable explanation that will make sense to a human's mind. We can't understand the larger picture. So, in those moments, I ask God to help me get through it as best I can.
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Second that.
 
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I have a serious question: What is the purpose of praying that "God's will be done"? Wouldnt God's will be done regardless if I pray or not?
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
I have a serious question: What is the purpose of praying that "God's will be done"? Wouldnt God's will be done regardless if I pray or not?
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The most important reason I can think of is that Jesus gave us specific instruction to do so: " ...Thy will be done. ". (Matt 6:10)

Praying for God's will indicates a submission to His plan and authority, which should be the goal of every believer. We should be very careful to avoid letting our selfish wants and desires creep into prayer.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
The most important reason I can think of is that Jesus gave us specific instruction to do so: " ...Thy will be done. ". (Matt 6:10)

Praying for God's will indicates a submission to His plan and authority, which should be the goal of every believer. We should be very careful to avoid letting our selfish wants and desires creep into prayer.
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I would imagine you have seen your fair share of miracles.

My mother in law ( while she is wheel chair bound) is a living miracle on her own.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
The most important reason I can think of is that Jesus gave us specific instruction to do so: " ...Thy will be done. ". (Matt 6:10)

Praying for God's will indicates a submission to His plan and authority, which should be the goal of every believer. We should be very careful to avoid letting our selfish wants and desires creep into prayer.
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Well said.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
Prayer is like being on this forum all the time and without hitting the submit reply. Open dialogue throughout the day with the creator and it does not have to start with dear Heavenly Father and end with in Jesus name , Amen. Just talk.... Communicate with Him. After all, Christ came for a relationship and not a religion.
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I talk to myself a lot.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, but I don't really follow how prayer works in this regard. Say my Mom gets in a car crash and is in critical condition. God:



1 - hasn't decided what to do with my Mom and is waiting on prayers

2 - has decided what to do with my Mom, but enough prayers would change His mind

3 - has decided what to do with my Mom and praying won't affect the outcome

4 - some other explanation?



I just don't get the part where the line is drawn between something being God's will and something being the result of prayer.
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Your view point of prayer and it's purpose is shaded by a mentality that says prayer gives us what ever we want. If that were the case we would all win the lottery.

Prayer is not magic that grants us anything we can think of.... Prayer is about a relationship between you and your maker.

Prayer for us who believe is about talking to God and believing He listens and cares, His answer may not be what we want but our faith tell us He knows what is best and does it every time even when we can't or refuse to understand

In general prayer does more to change us that it will ever do to change God.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
The most important reason I can think of is that Jesus gave us specific instruction to do so: " ...Thy will be done. ". (Matt 6:10)

Praying for God's will indicates a submission to His plan and authority, which should be the goal of every believer. We should be very careful to avoid letting our selfish wants and desires creep into prayer.
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Very well said.
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Slydell said:
There is a threshold of tithing in many churches these days. More might attend if there was no expectation of dropping anything in the plate when it is passed around. I don't go for other reasons, just trying to think why some might not attend.
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If you really want to get some church folk (esp. pastors) in a heated debate, ask them about the justification tithing. I've seen some heated debates online about that subject.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
The most important reason I can think of is that Jesus gave us specific instruction to do so: " ...Thy will be done. ". (Matt 6:10)

Praying for God's will indicates a submission to His plan and authority, which should be the goal of every believer. We should be very careful to avoid letting our selfish wants and desires creep into prayer.
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Ok, I completely understand your stance and agree that is the case. Allow me to rephrase my question. What is the purpose of a supernatural deity (God) commanding prayer if it has no effect on the outcome?

My original question is why pray for God's will to be done? A: Because it's a commandment.

I think we all agree that God doesn't need my, or anyone else's, permission to have his will done.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Honest answer... prayer does help (imo) in that, if nothing else, it can help lift the spirit of the person(s) being prayed for (whether they're a believer or not).

As to the rest of your question, prayer is not intended to be a "fix all" for the world's problems. If this is your understanding of prayer, then it's an inaccurate representation perhaps caused by religion itself. Prayer is intended as a way to have a dialogue with your Heavenly Father. That dialogue can, and probably should be, for many things... not just asking God to "fix things".
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I think you mean monologue, because if he's actually talking to you then we've got a completely different kind of problem.
 
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