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WestTennesseeVol said:
I thought Everton fans were better than that. Oh well, maybe they can get away with that in the Championship when no one’s watching
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I mean…last week two Everton fans were dragged off the pitch by security after running out of the stands and trying to have a go at the manager. Not really sure why you thought that, lol.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
I don’t really keep up with what happens at Everton, since I’m not an Everton fan.
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Everton have a very loyal support, but unfortunately there’s not much argument to be made that the fans are “better than” some pretty toxic behaviors. Things can get pretty rough when things aren’t going well.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Everton have a very loyal support, but unfortunately there’s not much argument to be made that the fans are “better than” some pretty toxic behaviors. Things can get pretty rough when things aren’t going well.
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Fair enough. I reckon I shouldn’t lump the actions of a few as a reflection of the whole fan base, but in the moment I was pretty heated about it.
 
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Liverpool being awarded that PK by VAR in the closing minutes was laughable. Jota knocks the ball past the keeper and out of bounds, turns and runs into the keeper. Ref waves his protests away, but VAR stops the game for 5+ minutes until the officials talk themselves into awarding a penalty.

They’ve got to start only allowing the referees to only see the replays at full speed, and limit the review to 30 seconds max. Sending the on field ref to the screen is a farce and a waste of everyone’s time. Has there been one instance where the ref went to the monitor and didn’t change the call? If there’s no conclusive proof within that framework, just go with the call on the field.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Liverpool being awarded that PK by VAR in the closing minutes was laughable. Jota knocks the ball past the keeper and out of bounds, turns and runs into the keeper. Ref waves his protests away, but VAR stops the game for 5+ minutes until the officials talk themselves into awarding a penalty.

They’ve got to start only allowing the referees to only see the replays at full speed, and limit the review to 30 seconds max. Sending the on field ref to the screen is a farce and a waste of everyone’s time. Has there been one instance where the ref went to the monitor and didn’t change the call? If there’s no conclusive proof within that framework, just go with the call on the field.
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Forgive me if I don’t fully understand VAR, but I’ve never understood why the review doesn’t go to an independent neutral crew stationed somewhere off site that can either agree with the call or not. The refs are never going to say they were wrong. I agree with the time limit as well, if you can’t make a decision on 30 seconds, the original call should stand (unless it goes against Aston Villa of course, then more time may be needed.)
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
Forgive me if I don’t fully understand VAR, but I’ve never understood why the review doesn’t go to an independent neutral crew stationed somewhere off site that can either agree with the call or not. The refs are never going to say they were wrong. I agree with the time limit as well, if you can’t make a decision on 30 seconds, the original call should stand (unless it goes against Aston Villa of course, then more time may be needed.)
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That’s the thing though. It DOES go to that independent crew offsite, who go over everything with a fine toothed comb, but they can’t ultimately overturn the call. All they can do is tell the ref through his headset that they think he’s gotten it wrong, and to go look at the monitor. At that point, he has a look at the monitor, but to go over there and stick with his original call means upstaging the VAR crew who have been looking at slow motion replays for the past five minutes. That’s why once he’s called to the monitor, the result of the review is a foregone conclusion. He’s basically already been instructed to change his call.
 
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Another thing I’ll add that would help with transparency is if the audio of conversations between the VAR and on-field officials were part of the TV broadcast. This is apparently how it’s done in rugby, and the feed is clearly available, because the commentators routinely fill the audience in on what they are hearing from these discussions as the review is in progress.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Another thing I’ll add that would help with transparency is if the audio of conversations between the VAR and on-field officials were part of the TV broadcast. This is apparently how it’s done in rugby, and the feed is clearly available, because the commentators routinely fill the audience in on what they are hearing from these discussions as the review is in progress.
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Yup. I watch a lot of super rugby / international rugby and hearing the convo between the ref and VAR is incredibly helpful. It’s not only hearing it but it’s what’s said as well. They always clearly define what they are looking at and why, and they go through the play together. Even when I still disagree with the call in the end, I at least know why they had to make that call.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
That’s the thing though. It DOES go to that independent crew offsite, who go over everything with a fine toothed comb, but they can’t ultimately overturn the call. All they can do is tell the ref through his headset that they think he’s gotten it wrong, and to go look at the monitor. At that point, he has a look at the monitor, but to go over there and stick with his original call means upstaging the VAR crew who have been looking at slow motion replays for the past five minutes. That’s why once he’s called to the monitor, the result of the review is a foregone conclusion. He’s basically already been instructed to change his call.
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Thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot more sense…or less sense when the calls are still wrong
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Hasn’t he made it clear that he’s wanted out for a little while? Sounds like he’s trying to force their hand before the transfer window closes.
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It’s hard to tell from what I have read if he wants out or back in or if Arteta wants him out?
 
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Happy for Lampard. Gets another shot in the EPL. From a development standpoint I thought he did great at Chelsea, but ultimately it was the tactics that did him in. Maybe a second chance will do him well.

 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Happy for Lampard. Gets another shot in the EPL. From a development standpoint I thought he did great at Chelsea, but ultimately it was the tactics that did him in. Maybe a second chance will do him well.

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I wonder who else said no for them to go to Lampard.

Another hypothetical - if Everton moved faster to sack Rafa, does Gerrard go to Everton?
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
I wonder who else said no for them to go to Lampard.

Another hypothetical - if Everton moved faster to sack Safa, does Gerrard go to Everton?
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Would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever happen. Remember how most of the Everton fanbase never accepted Rafa and even the ones who were willing to give him a chance turned on him with lightning speed once things started going sideways? That was with a manager with a proven PL track record who had won the CL who just happened to manage Liverpool a decade ago. Now imagine that situation with a guy who had never managed a game in the PL and also happened to the most hated player by Evertonians of the past generation.

Also, Lamapard was available last summer. Would have been nice to just cut out the middleman and hired him back then. It might not have worked out, just as it may not work now, but it certainly would have avoided the toxicity that hiring Rafa brought out.
 
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