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Be interesting to see what becomes of Russia’s WC qualifiers in a few weeks. They’re scheduled to host their first match, plus a second one if they win. Pretty hard to see those going ahead as scheduled right now.
 
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WestTennesseeVol said:
NBC Sports was shut down, all Premier League matches were moved to USA
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Gotcha, but I'm shocked that they are showing 2 teams that are are very close to being relagated. Southampton have played their way out of it, lately. But Norwich is more than less a done deal. Of course, it is the only EPL game, today.
Edit: damn Southampton is top 9, now. Didn't realize that
 
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United losing points at home against relegation zone Watford helps Arsenal in their hope for Top 4
 
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The No handball decision in the Everton/City game is the exact reason why it would be beyond helpful to hear the VAR and head refs discussion. The act of the handball was quite clearly a handball, but the story I see on Twitter is that Everton had a player offsides in the buildup. If that’s legit, and by the rules of the game is the correct call, then letting viewers and attendees hear the reasoning behind the non call would go a long way to help how VAR and the refs are viewed… because as it stands right now, they look incompetent at best. They probably are anyways though if we’re being honest.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
The No handball decision in the Everton/City game is the exact reason why it would be beyond helpful to hear the VAR and head refs discussion. The act of the handball was quite clearly a handball, but the story I see on Twitter is that Everton had a player offsides in the buildup. If that’s legit, and by the rules of the game is the correct call, then letting viewers and attendees hear the reasoning behind the non call would go a long way to help how VAR and the refs are viewed… because as it stands right now, they look incompetent at best. They probably are anyways though if we’re being honest.
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Update on this:

PL came out with a statement, I haven’t seen the whole thing but saw it mentioned in an article, that there was "not clear enough evidence to show conclusively that it was handball". So nothing about the possible offsides that a few analysts had mentioned after the game. If they are just purely saying no handball based off the fact that there’s not clear enough evidence… than just scrap the whole VAR system… it’s broken beyond repair.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Update on this:

PL came out with a statement, I haven’t seen the whole thing but saw it mentioned in an article, that there was "not clear enough evidence to show conclusively that it was handball". So nothing about the possible offsides that a few analysts had mentioned after the game. If they are just purely saying no handball based off the fact that there’s not clear enough evidence… than just scrap the whole VAR system… it’s broken beyond repair.
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The NBC post match coverage only showed one angle of the alleged offside, and it was close at best. From what I can gather, at no point did VAR actually go over it extensively with the multiple lines drawn on screen like usual. Now, OF COURSE, the PL can’t even get their story straight as to why a penalty wasn’t given.

Until they can implement some sort of Hawkeye-like system similar to what is used for goal line technology that can give an instantaneous decision, at the very least, the offside portion of VAR needs to be abandoned and just let the linesmen call it on the field. Beyond that, maybe put a challenge system (two per game at most) in place for egregious errors like handballs and missed red cards. But even with that, do away with the remote VAR and just have the ref on the field go to the monitor, 30 seconds max to view a couple different angles, video played at full speed, with the burden of proof being similar to the NFL where if he’s not sure, he goes with the call he made on the field.

Or…just scrap it completely. These things tend to balance out over the course of a season, and the games are far more enjoyable without it casting a pall over every goal that is scored.
 
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Yikes, absolutely all time terrible sub by Tuchel there. Brings off Mendy, who had played out of his mind for 119 minutes, in favor of Kepa for the shootout, who then proceeds to let in 10 straight PK’s without really coming close to saving one, and then balloon his own kick halfway to Wales to lose the shootout.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Yikes, absolutely all time terrible sub by Tuchel there. Brings off Mendy, who had played out of his mind for 119 minutes, in favor of Kepa for the shootout, who then proceeds to let in 10 straight PK’s without really coming close to saving one, and then balloon his own kick halfway to Wales to lose the shootout.
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I don’t expect non Chelsea fans to know Tuchels tactics but it’s surprising to me to see some “pundits” on TV surprised by the sub. Tuchel has employed this move multiple times since being at Chelsea. Mendy is far away the better all around keeper but Kepa is far away the better keeper when it comes to penalties. Tuchel has deployed this strategy twice already and both times came away with a win and once a trophy after a big Kepa save. Tuchel even went on to say that even if the champions league final would have went to finals last season he would have done it then too. So it’s not an all time bad sub, it’s the standard that has worked 2 out of 3 times now. Today just didn’t work out. Also, Kepa guessed the right way multiple times, even got his hand on one but the shot just had too much power, and the other ones he guessed right on were just put in perfect spots. Credit to Liverpool… they had some clinical PKs. Can’t do it much better.


Now, the Kepa miss… oooof. That one will haunt him for a while. Terrible, terrible penalty.
 
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It’s a shame that in todays soccer landscape this is offsides. Idk what the answer is to fix offsides In soccer but seeing both of an attacking players feet behind the feet of the last defender but still being offsides because he has his arm is out in front while he’s leaning forward is just terrible. Rule needs to be changed. Matips disallowed goal for Liverpool was also one that is frustrating as a soccer fan. Hate how offsides has become a game of millimeters or inches now.

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Nash_Vol97 said:
It’s a shame that in todays soccer landscape this is offsides. Idk what the answer is to fix offsides In soccer but seeing both of an attacking players feet behind the feet of the last defender but still being offsides because he has his arm is out in front while he’s leaning forward is just terrible. Rule needs to be changed. Matips disallowed goal for Liverpool was also one that is frustrating as a soccer fan. Hate how offsides has become a game of millimeters or inches now.
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Go back to letting the linesmen call it like they did for the 150 years before VAR was introduced.
 
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Apparently the actual rule for offside is that the line should be drawn from the most forward part of the body with which Lukaku could score. We learned yesterday in the Everton/Man City match that apparently it’s perfectly legal to play the ball with the part of the arm where they’ve drawn the line in that photo. Sure, they may be wrong, but at least they’re consistently wrong.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Go back to letting the linesmen call it like they did for the 150 years before VAR was introduced.
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It’s a difficult problem for me. I personally like the ability to fix linesman's mistakes, because they do happen, I just think that offsides calls need to made so it has to be egregious to be called. They changed the size of the line on the VAR review this off-season, but I think they need to make it more dramatic and/or only draw from the feet location. Idk, they need to do something though. All fans from all clubs are getting tired of it.

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It literally looked more like a goal kick than a penalty kick. I’m struggling to remember anyone blasting one further over the bar.
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He put it so far into orbit the ball still hasn’t landed.
 
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