Preseason top 25?

#76
#76
Last year was a fluke. Not gospel, just an opinion amoung a crowed of Big Orange fans. I am not the kind normally to go into a season with low hopes. Really do think we have the talent to be up there. No question, it was squandered last year but this is new year. Don't see us blowing up two in a row.
 
#77
#77
(hohenfelsvol @ Apr 11 said:
Last year was a fluke. Not gospel, just an opinion amoung a crowed of Big Orange fans. I am not the kind normally to go into a season with low hopes. Really do think we have the talent to be up there. No question, it was squandered last year but this is new year. Don't see us blowing up two in a row.


Hohen, why do you think there was a fluke to begin with? Was it bad karma? Bad coaching? A couple of early bad results leading to infighting? I think that to say it was a fluke you've got to have a reason. The problem it seems to me is that, other than the LSU game, UT looked pretty anemic for all of last year. That suggests a bigger problem than just a little bad luck here and there.

For what its worth, in my opinion it was actually three main things that doomed you.

I think first the team was not prepared well by coaching staff for fundamentals like blocking and tackling. This is not a slight. It has been a problem for Florida for years and I am hoping that Meyer in his second season has got their heads screwed back on right, just as I am sure that you hope that Fulmer realizes a little back to the drawing board is in order here.

Second, I do think your offensive play calling was unimaginative, to say the least.

Third, I think expectations were so high that, when they started to fail, it snowballed and there was in fact a lot of fingerpointing going on, a lot of scratching of heads, a lot of dissapointment as between units on the team.

The first issue is up to coaches. Only time will tell. The second issue has hopefully been taken care of, but depends to a large degree on the first problem being resolved. The third problem? Well, I wonder about that one. Has the team recovered emotionally from being so hounded last year? They've had a long time off and they are, after all, just kids. Its a brand new season. We will know more at the first sign of adveristy.



 
#78
#78
I wasn't here at the first of last year, how many people disareed with our preseason ranking? Also I believe our season hinges on how the players and COACHES handle adversity. The Cal game is very important! Winning and Losing can be contagious!
 
#79
#79
(crimedawg12 @ Apr 11 said:
I wasn't here at the first of last year, how many people disareed with our preseason ranking? Also I believe our season hinges on how the players and COACHES handle adversity. The Cal game is very important! Winning and Losing can be contagious!

I was not here at the beginning of the season either but I was posting on other boards. I'll admit I bought it hook, line and sinker. For a moment there I forgot about our achilies heel (Fulmer) and thought about E.Ainge building on his freshman campaign, Riggs maybe being a legit Heisman candidate, a punishing defense, and some gifted athletes playing receiver and special teams. Put that together with the fact that most of the "experts" has UT as the Rose Bowl dark horse just waiting to pounce if USC or Texas slipped and I was completely sold. I knew it was all a load of crap; however, when I watched Fulmer start switching the QBs and we struggled agaisnt UAB.
 
#80
#80
(crimedawg12 @ Apr 11 said:
I wasn't here at the first of last year, how many people disareed with our preseason ranking? Also I believe our season hinges on how the players and COACHES handle adversity. The Cal game is very important! Winning and Losing can be contagious!

there were a few but not many argued with it - funny thing is that most of the ones I remember were calling for CPF's head before the season even started!!
 
#81
#81
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
Hohen, why do you think there was a fluke to begin with? Was it bad karma? Bad coaching? A couple of early bad results leading to infighting? I think that to say it was a fluke you've got to have a reason. The problem it seems to me is that, other than the LSU game, UT looked pretty anemic for all of last year. That suggests a bigger problem than just a little bad luck here and there.

For what its worth, in my opinion it was actually three main things that doomed you.

I think first the team was not prepared well by coaching staff for fundamentals like blocking and tackling. This is not a slight. It has been a problem for Florida for years and I am hoping that Meyer in his second season has got their heads screwed back on right, just as I am sure that you hope that Fulmer realizes a little back to the drawing board is in order here.

Second, I do think your offensive play calling was unimaginative, to say the least.

Third, I think expectations were so high that, when they started to fail, it snowballed and there was in fact a lot of fingerpointing going on, a lot of scratching of heads, a lot of dissapointment as between units on the team.

The first issue is up to coaches. Only time will tell. The second issue has hopefully been taken care of, but depends to a large degree on the first problem being resolved. The third problem? Well, I wonder about that one. Has the team recovered emotionally from being so hounded last year? They've had a long time off and they are, after all, just kids. Its a brand new season. We will know more at the first sign of adveristy.

All of your reasons above are good points and I agree 100%. It wasn't a fluke we self destructed. Not in the least. I tried to use the word "fluke" in the context that the season would not be repeated again or at least I hope not. The players and coaches, who are still around, have learned their lesson. Good call on my use of words. :blush2:
 
#82
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(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
I think first the team was not prepared well by coaching staff for fundamentals like blocking and tackling.

Second, I do think your offensive play calling was unimaginative, to say the least.
Fundamentals may have been a problem on the offensive side of the ball, but tackling was the least of our problems.

As far as playcalling goes, the offensive woes had very little to do with playcalling and a lot more to do with simple execution which goes back to fundamentals. Come to think of it there were a couple of plays in the UT UF game in which your secondary would have been BURNED for TD's had a simple throw and catch been executed properly.
 
#83
#83
hey gang what is the vols record at home since fulmer took over it seems that home games for the vols dont go their way. I dont know if the vols will be ranked in the top 25 if so I'm thinking between 20-25.
 
#84
#84
(hohenfelsvol @ Apr 11 said:
All of your reasons above are good points and I agree 100%. It wasn't a fluke we self destructed. Not in the least. I tried to use the word "fluke" in the context that the season would not be repeated again or at least I hope not. The players and coaches, who are still around, have learned their lesson. Good call on my use of words. :blush2:


No no, I didn't mean to call you out on the season being a "fluke." The apparent problems last year were more systemic as opposed to transitory. To go back to the original issue, which is whether you ought to be ranked preseason, my point was that as the problems seemed to me to be more of the systemic variety you should not be ranked until you prove that you have overcome them.

Not saying you can't. Just saying that if I have a vote I wait until you do it before I rank you.

 
#85
#85
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
No no, I didn't mean to call you out on the season being a "fluke." The apparent problems last year were more systemic as opposed to transitory. To go back to the original issue, which is whether you ought to be ranked preseason, my point was that as the problems seemed to me to be more of the systemic variety you should not be ranked until you prove that you have overcome them.

Not saying you can't. Just saying that if I have a vote I wait until you do it before I rank you.

It's all opinion and guessing until the playing starts. Same with all teams. But, right now UT has the most to prove that they are indeed worthy to be ranked in top 25 if that happens. If not, no complaining from me. They have to earn it back. Personally do think they have talent and coaching to make it happen.
 
#86
#86
(hohenfelsvol @ Apr 11 said:
It's all opinion and guessing until the playing starts. Same with all teams. But, right now UT has the most to prove that they are indeed worthy to be ranked in top 25 if that happens. If not, no complaining from me. They have to earn it back. Personally do think they have talent and coaching to make it happen.


Talent, yes. Coaching ..... :dunno:
 
#88
#88
(VOLracerx @ Apr 11 said:
Hey LG- how is UF's spring ball coming?? Do you think you guys are deserving of the hype??

Been very quiet. I think a lot of the media attention in Gainesville has been on the basketball team, for obvious reasons. I believe the team is halfway through their 15 Spring practices with nothing major to report. I did see that there are some minor injuries, but no one hurt so bad they couldn't suit up for a game this Saturday, if there was one. Also saw an article saying that the defense appeared to have the edge at the moment.

That's it. Pretty quiet.
 
#89
#89
(therealUT @ Apr 11 said:
Yes, but, it would be foolhearty to believe that we will be top 25 this year considering last years season and the lost talent.

That being said, I will admit to being a fool and believing that UT will have a great season. However, I still do not believe we deserve a preseason top 25 ranking.


As I have stated. That is your opinion.
 
#90
#90
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
No no, I didn't mean to call you out on the season being a "fluke." The apparent problems last year were more systemic as opposed to transitory. To go back to the original issue, which is whether you ought to be ranked preseason, my point was that as the problems seemed to me to be more of the systemic variety you should not be ranked until you prove that you have overcome them.

Not saying you can't. Just saying that if I have a vote I wait until you do it before I rank you.


This is the original post "Hey does any one have a clue where the vols will probably land come football preseason rankings? Also any freshman looking to make a big impact? Thanks."

So to answer the question in one word. Yes!

As far as it being systemic I say no. I think it boied down to execution. The coaches are responsible and CPF has taken full responsibility. The team has the talent and yes, the coaching and will win a bunch this year.
 
#91
#91
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
Been very quiet. I think a lot of the media attention in Gainesville has been on the basketball team, for obvious reasons. I believe the team is halfway through their 15 Spring practices with nothing major to report. I did see that there are some minor injuries, but no one hurt so bad they couldn't suit up for a game this Saturday, if there was one. Also saw an article saying that the defense appeared to have the edge at the moment.

That's it. Pretty quiet.

I think Meyer and Fulmer both got a little lucky with the success of the basketball teams - took a little of the spring pratice pressure off. Do you think Meyer will stick with his system next year or make it into a hybrid - misdirection/power ball??
 
#93
#93
(VolBeef88 @ Apr 11 said:
Is that your coaching or ours? I mean our Head Coach has won SEC titles and a National title. Has yours?


Your coaching is seriously suspect.

Ours is still unknown.
 
#94
#94
(VOLracerx @ Apr 11 said:
I think Meyer and Fulmer both got a little lucky with the success of the basketball teams - took a little of the spring pratice pressure off. Do you think Meyer will stick with his system next year or make it into a hybrid - misdirection/power ball??


I think the misdirection and spread offense will be used more towards the end of the year as Tebow is fashioned into the heir apparent for Leak. For now, probably focus on better QB protection and let Leak be the drop-back passer his skills promote.
 
#95
#95
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
Your coaching is seriously suspect.

Ours is still unknown.


That is funny. A coach with on of the BEST winning %, SEC titles and a national championship under his belt and you call him suspect?
Yet your heralded media darling comes in to one of the most talented teams in the nation and does what? His offense doesn't work and he loses to who?
I tell you what, let the Urban myth last for say 10 years and have a winning % like CPF then we will talk. Till then what you say is little more than swamp garbage.
 
#96
#96
(VolBeef88 @ Apr 11 said:
That is funny. A coach with on of the BEST winning %, SEC titles and a national championship under his belt and you call him suspect?
Yet your heralded media darling comes in to one of the most talented teams in the nation and does what? His offense doesn't work and he loses to who?
I tell you what, let the Urban myth last for say 10 years and have a winning % like CPF then we will talk. Till then what you say is little more than swamp garbage.
"He loses to who?" Not UT.
 
#98
#98
(VolBeef88 @ Apr 11 said:
Not yet. But I am so surprised that you would land over on the side of a swamp lizrd.
Just stating the facts. If Fulmer wants people off his back, he should think about winning a championship sometime this century.
 
#99
#99
(hatvol96 @ Apr 11 said:
Just stating the facts. If Fulmer wants people off his back, he should think about winning a championship sometime this century.


He will hate. Then you can gripe about how long it took.
 

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