Preseason top 25?

#102
#102
(VolBeef88 @ Apr 11 said:
But that would be enough for you. Right. LOL
Click to expand...
Contrary to popular belief, I would love to see UT win the SEC this year. I don't revel in the head coach's failures.
 
#104
#104
(VolBeef88 @ Apr 11 said:
That is funny. A coach with on of the BEST winning %, SEC titles and a national championship under his belt and you call him suspect?
Yet your heralded media darling comes in to one of the most talented teams in the nation and does what? His offense doesn't work and he loses to who?
I tell you what, let the Urban myth last for say 10 years and have a winning % like CPF then we will talk. Till then what you say is little more than swamp garbage.
Click to expand...


It is a what have you done for me lately kind of a world, that's for sure.
 
#105
#105
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
Your coaching is seriously suspect.

Ours is still unknown.
Click to expand...




In your biased opinion and a handful more that post here (out of 100's of posters).You guys are in the minority.What part of that can't people seem to fathom?
 
#106
#106
LG hit it on the head about "what have you done for me lately?". and we're not alone. Ask Herb Sendec.

but i digress....several points over the last couple of pages i thought were interesting....

1. How many people bought in to last year's hype? I wasn't on this board at that time, so you'll have to take me at my word, but i didn't. I didn't think we'd suck as bad as we did, but i couldn't see us going w/1 loss or undefeated with the schedule we had. I thought 2 losses for sure, and after i saw ND play, that game at south bend loomed large. i figured 9-2, and no shot a NC.

2. what caused last year? was it a fluke? several good points brought up on this subject, and for me after watchin the whole season, we looked like a bad football team. We couldn't catch, we turned the ball over, we committed penalties and we lacked severly in special teams. The offensive woes i do not contribute to play calling or game planning. It was execution plain and simple. that's coaching. And i think our coaches and players bought in to the hype and figured someone would do something sometime to get us out of the mess we were in. unfortunately, that only happened once against LSU.

i understand the word fluke for last year. but fluke can be good or bad, just like luck. Some times the flukes happen because a defense has a bust and the offense gets a big play. same could be said for turnovers etc....last year, our inability to execute on offense and special teams (turonvers, inability to convert 3rd downs etc....)led to many opportunities for opposing offenses to capitalize on good feild position.

3. ranking and this year's results. pre season rankings are a combination of last year's results (the closest factual evidence that given someone the ability to predict the future) and what incoming coaches/players etc. will impact the up coming season. For us, you combine the two, plus the Tennessee=tradition argument, i could see us getting a pre season ranking somewhere between 20-25. Personally, i don't think we should be ranked.

I do think this year won't suck anywhere as bad as last. That doesn't mean i think we'll be in the SECCG. I think we're capable of it. But so are 5 other teams in the SEC. all things being equal, UF and LSU should be flat out better than us. UGA, Bama, USC, TN are probably a lot closer to each other than we might like to admit. those are the games that we will need to win, in addition to Cal, to start thinking about successful seasons. I think we will lose one of those 4 and finish 9-3. But the difference between 9-3 and 8-4 at this point will come down to a few plays in any of those games.

I keep hearing about how much talent we have. I agree. We have SEC CG comparable talent to most every team in the SEC. But to say that we are that much more talented thatn some of the other big dogs in the conference isn't so. In the 90's, it was pretty clear there was 1. UF, 2. TN and everone else. Now a days, that gap is much tighter. Whether it be recent success, new coaches, whatever, those schools made those changes to compete with US. We (UF and UT) set the bar in the 90's, along with Bama in the early part of the 90s. It has taken everyone else 10 years to catch up to what we were doing.

I've said it before, and i'll continue to say it. I'm not against coaching changes. I think this year and next (yes, he'll be here for at least two more seasons, sorry folks) are the most important two years in CPF's tenure. He's made changes. He's got good talent. now, we'll find out if he can compete with the new look SEC. If he can (and i do think he can btw) then kudos to him for it. If he can't, then there won't be much of a choice but to make a change to remain competitive in this conference.

good discussion.... :D go vols
 
#107
#107
(utfantilidie @ Apr 11 said:
In your biased opinion and a handful more that post here (out of 100's of posters).You guys are in the minority.What part of that can't people seem to fathom?
Click to expand...


It is certainly all a matter of opinion. While mine is of course biased, it is an opinion shared by many on here who are UT fans. I don't think you can discount the growing discontent in your own backyard about this issue just because a Florida fan happens to agree with the UT-loyal posters on here who have had enough of Fulmer's regime.

But of course I am not saying anything you don't already know.
 
#108
#108
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
It is certainly all a matter of opinion. While mine is of course biased, it is an opinion shared by many on here who are UT fans. I don't think you can discount the growing discontent in your own backyard about this issue just because a Florida fan happens to agree with the UT-loyal posters on here who have had enough of Fulmer's regime.

But of course I am not saying anything you don't already know.
Click to expand...






Name 5 loyal posters you refer to.
 
#110
#110
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
Name 5 UT-loyal posters that think its time for a change at the helm?
Click to expand...
Name five UT-loyal posters who give a rat's behind what you think about our coaching staff.
 
#113
#113
Sometimes I think LG catches a dose of Hatvolitis but then he regains his composure and soundness of mind. :biggrin2:
 
#114
#114
(utfantilidie @ Apr 11 said:
Sometimes I think LG catches a dose of Hatvolitis but then he regains his composure and soundness of mind. :biggrin2:
Click to expand...
"Soundness of mind?" I'm not the one on here defending a coach who "led" a consensus top 5 team to a 5-6 record last year.
 
#115
#115
(hatvol96 @ Apr 11 said:
"Soundness of mind?" I'm not the one on here defending a coach who "led" a consensus top 5 team to a 5-6 record last year.
Click to expand...





That's pretty funny Hat!
 
#116
#116
(lawgator1 @ Apr 11 said:
It is certainly all a matter of opinion. While mine is of course biased, it is an opinion shared by many on here who are UT fans. I don't think you can discount the growing discontent in your own backyard about this issue just because a Florida fan happens to agree with the UT-loyal posters on here who have had enough of Fulmer's regime.

But of course I am not saying anything you don't already know.
Click to expand...


LG the fact that you, other UF fans and bammers all want him gone speaks volumes. Yes there are some UT fans that are more "reactional" (my word) right now. But that is because UT didn't just start getting good at football in the past 15 to 20 years like UF. We have been good for a long, long time. More is expected from the UT program by all of us. None of us are happy with the way things went last year. But most of us understand that sometimes **** happens and a coach with CPF resume deserves and has (more importantly) earned the opportunity to correct things. We may argue on how to make the necessary changes to get back to the top but make no mistake that in the end we are all together. Kinda like a family, we can fight with each other and call names but an outsider better lay off.

 
#117
#117
(VolBeef88 @ Apr 12 said:
LG the fact that you, other UF fans and bammers all want him gone speaks volumes. Yes there are some UT fans that are more "reactional" (my word) right now. But that is because UT didn't just start getting good at football in the past 15 to 20 years like UF. We have been good for a long, long time. More is expected from the UT program by all of us. None of us are happy with the way things went last year. But most of us understand that sometimes **** happens and a coach with CPF resume deserves and has (more importantly) earned the opportunity to correct things. We may argue on how to make the necessary changes to get back to the top but make no mistake that in the end we are all together. Kinda like a family, we can fight with each other and call names but an outsider better lay off.
Click to expand...


Well said (except for the lay off thing as, since we put in our new server at work, I can't access my chess site and so this is my major form of daily entertainment).

But let me ask you this. Does his equity run out anytime soon? I mean, if there is another losing season this year, or even one of 6-5, can he survive that? Will the UT faithful let him stick around? And would you want him to? Seriously. Look at the Joe Paterno situation. Now, they aren't totally comparable, granted, but the argument of being entitled to hang around based on past success is the same.

 
#118
#118
One more year of 6-5/5-6 and the heat gets turned up - if he misses another bowl game I think he is gone but I see what you are saying about the JoePa syndrome - I don't think Phil gets that kind of deal - PS just wants him to beat Bowden for all time wins that is the ONLY reason he is still there.
 
#119
#119
Come on, the only Fulmer will leave the program is if a.) he decides to leave on his terms and or b.) the Vols suffer consecutive losings seasons, such as 3-4 years straight.

As long as the cash flow does not decrease, why would the Tennessee Administration get rid of him?
 
#120
#120
(OrangeEmpire @ Apr 12 said:
Come on, the only Fulmer will leave the program is if a.) he decides to leave on his terms and or b.) the Vols suffer consecutive losings seasons, such as 3-4 years straight.

As long as the cash flow does not decrease, why would the Tennessee Administration get rid of him?
Click to expand...

You would be surprised how quickly the cash flow dries up (or more importantly looks like it might dry up) once the team is on a sustained slide. Ticket sales stay high, but that's only part of it. The licensing, the alumni attendance and contributions. Its a huge racket, my friend. And two losing seasons with big time discontent in the ranks of the fans spells big time loss of $.

 
#122
#122
You think after two years he would be forced to resign?

Fulmer has his allies in administration and the alumni.

A four year slide and I would start to believe he may be gone, but it has only been one season of 5-6.

It has already been proven that mediocrity and the threat of contending in the east will sustain most UT fans. Just look at the past 5 years.
 
#123
#123
(OrangeEmpire @ Apr 12 said:
You think after two years he would be forced to resign?

Fulmer has his allies in administration and the alumni.

A four year slide and I would start to believe he may be gone, but it has only been one season of 5-6.

It has already been proven that mediocrity and the threat of contending in the east will sustain most UT fans. Just look at the past 5 years.
Click to expand...


Ouch. But just about everyone except Vanderbilt can now say they are a contender for the East. Even SC must now be respected. Not saying they are likely to win it. But if they did I don't think anyone would fall out of their chair.


 
#124
#124
(OrangeEmpire @ Apr 12 said:
You think after two years he would be forced to resign?

Fulmer has his allies in administration and the alumni.

A four year slide and I would start to believe he may be gone, but it has only been one season of 5-6.

It has already been proven that mediocrity and the threat of contending in the east will sustain most UT fans. Just look at the past 5 years.
Click to expand...

I think those last 5 yrs would be turned against CPF if he pulls in a 6-6 record again.
 
#125
#125
(VOLracerx @ Apr 12 said:
I think those last 5 yrs would be turned against CPF if he pulls in a 6-6 record again.
Click to expand...


Interesting perspective and upon reflection I agree with you. If the team posts 9 wins, then the previous few years were rebuilding. If he wins 6 or fewer, its an official slide into mediocrity.

 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top