President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[LSU-SIU]

The Ukrainian war is not a regional skirmish. It has global implications. It was a brazen attack on a sovereign democracy at the gates of Europe. Putin has stated that his war aims are to reconstitute the borders of the old Soviet Union and the Czarist territory into Europe. Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and the Baltic states are next on Putin's agenda. China and Iran are watching how we conduct this matter. If Ukraine falls, China will become more emboldened, starting with Taiwan. That would threaten Japan, the Philippines and Australia. It would sever trade routes with Japan and the Aukus countries and threaten the entire Indo-Pacific region, as Japan did in 1941.

Now you are full onto AI bot land.

 

[volbound1700]

The Ukrainian war is not a regional skirmish. It has global implications. It was a brazen attack on a sovereign democracy at the gates of Europe. Putin has stated that his war aims are to reconstitute the borders of the old Soviet Union and the Czarist territory into Europe. Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and the Baltic states are next on Putin's agenda. China and Iran are watching how we conduct this matter. If Ukraine falls, China will become more emboldened, starting with Taiwan. That would threaten Japan, the Philippines and Australia. It would sever trade routes with Japan and the Aukus countries and threaten the entire Indo-Pacific region, as Japan did in 1941.

This **** happened all the time in the 1800s. Heck Russia stole the Balkans from the Ottomans. We didn't do jack and USA was fine.

Did we intervene when Napoleon was running all over Europe? How about the Franco-Prussian war when Germany emerged? Russia has had ALOT of trouble with Ukraine. To say they can beat an advanced NATO Nation like Poland is a stretch. Also if they hit Poland or any of the other countries you listed, then yes there would be war.

 

[LSU-SIU]

This **** happened all the time in the 1800s. Heck Russia stole the Balkans from the Ottomans. We didn't do jack and USA was fine.

Did we intervene when Napoleon was running all over Europe? How about the Franco-Prussian war when Germany emerged? Russia has had ALOT of trouble with Ukraine. To say they can beat an advanced NATO Nation like Poland is a stretch. Also if they hit Poland or any of the other countries you listed, then yes there would be war.

Europe will be back to hacking Europe in the not to distant future. Russian invasion is probably not even on the list of concerns i.e. if I remember right Russia is just a gas station masquerading as a country anyhow.

 

[volbound1700]

Europe will be back to hacking Europe in the not to distant future. Russian invasion is probably not even on the list of concerns i.e. if I remember right Russia is just a gas station masquerading as a country anyhow.

Russia has always been great at defense and horrible at offense. The main reason Russia has failed in Ukraine, in my opinion, is lack of motivation/morale with their troops. If you get Russia fired up for a war, they will be a tough out.

However, Russia has a long history of falling on its face with offensive wars:

1. Crimean War
2. Russo-Japanese War
3. Soviet-Polish War in 1921
4. Winter War 1940

Russia's greatest victories have always occurred when nations invaded them such as Sweden in the Great Northern War, France in the Napoleonic Wars, and Germany in 1941-1945

 

[LSU-SIU]

Is it's orange-ish tint foreshadowing?

Trump The Peaceful.

 

[LSU-SIU]

 

[newyorkvol]

 

[McDad]

The Ukrainian war is not a regional skirmish. It has global implications. It was a brazen attack on a sovereign democracy at the gates of Europe. Putin has stated that his war aims are to reconstitute the borders of the old Soviet Union and the Czarist territory into Europe. Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and the Baltic states are next on Putin's agenda. China and Iran are watching how we conduct this matter. If Ukraine falls, China will become more emboldened, starting with Taiwan. That would threaten Japan, the Philippines and Australia. It would sever trade routes with Japan and the Aukus countries and threaten the entire Indo-Pacific region, as Japan did in 1941.

I disagree. Ukraine Russia affects Eastern Europe.
And we're still 40T in debt. At some point there is no money to assist.

 

[FortSanders]

We haven't had a treaty to give away any nation, so the 1938 comparison falls flat.

Chamberlain gave weapons and money to Poland, same thing we are doing with Ukraine. and Chamberlain was kicked out AFTER he devoted troops to fighting in Norway and it went poorly. people really don't know the history they claim.

In Munich in 1938, Chamberlain cut an agreement with Hitler to cede the Sudetenland a region in Czechoslovakia. He famously quoted Hitler's pronouncements stating that if Hitler received the Sudetenland, he would forgo any further territorial demands in Europe. He placed these words in a document, which he and Hitler signed. Chamberlain returned to England and claimed that he had achieved peace in our time. The world learned that one cannot buy loyalty from a dictator by ceding land. Chamberlain did this without the consent of the Czechoslovakian government. This was recognized as a policy of appeasement.

When Hitler broke his agreement and annexed the rest of Czechoslovakia. After that Hitler began making territorial claims on Poland, the Brits and the French entered into an alliance with Poland, hoping to deter Hitler.

Hitler invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.

Hitler doubled his manufacturing capacity by annexing Czechoslovakia. Almost half the tanks Hitler drove into France came from Czechoslovakia. Similarly, Putin hopes to double his manufacturing capacity and triple his control over rare earth minerals by annexing Ukraine. That would give Russia and China a virtual monopoly over these minerals.

The fight in Ukraine is a fight 1) democracy and 2) access to raw minerals available in Ukraine.

Trump is following the same strategy today as Chamberlain. Appeasement never works.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't care for the wording but what is the problem? (technically we don't live in a democracy, its suppose to be a republic with some democracy priniciples)

mob rule was never the intent. it was precisely what the FF wanted to avoid.

man its amazing how the MAGA message has changed conservatives.

 

[volbound1700]

In Munich in 1938, Chamberlain cut an agreement with Hitler to cede the Sudetenland a region in Czechoslovakia. He famously quoted Hitler's pronouncements stating that if Hitler received the Sudetenland, he would forgo any further territorial demands in Europe. He placed these words in a document, which he and Hitler signed. Chamberlain returned to England and claimed that he had achieved peace in our time. The world learned that one cannot buy loyalty from a dictator by ceding land. Chamberlain did this without the consent of the Czechoslovakian government. This was recognized as a policy of appeasement.

When Hitler broke his agreement and annexed the rest of Czechoslovakia. After that Hitler began making territorial claims on Poland, the Brits and the French entered into an alliance with Poland, hoping to deter Hitler.

Hitler invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.

Hitler doubled his manufacturing capacity by annexing Czechoslovakia. Almost half the tanks Hitler drove into France came from Czechoslovakia. Similarly, Putin hopes to double his manufacturing capacity and triple his control over rare earth minerals by annexing Ukraine. That would give Russia and China a virtual monopoly over these minerals.

The fight in Ukraine is a fight 1) democracy and 2) access to raw minerals available in Ukraine.

Trump is following the same strategy today as Chamberlain. Appeasement never works.

UK and France lost World War 2. Their Empires crumbled after the war and they are third-rate powers (if you can call them powers today). It was great for the world at large that Churchill made a stand but both would have been better off not diving into war with Nazi Germany to preserve their future. UK is in worse shape in 2025 than Germany or Japan. There is a very solid argument that UK lost the most in World War 2's aftermath.

European Powers constantly conquered their neighbors in the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, etc. with little intervention. How do you think Russia got so big? Did European nations or USA step in when Russia conquered Crimea Khanate? What about Kazakhstan or Dagestan, etc.?

 

[Orangeburst]

wow..

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

no he hasn't.

if he has, tell us who is in charge of DOGE? Who is doing all of these reviews? Have we heard about all of the reviews, or just the ones he wants us to hear about? Why does the DOGE "savings" still claim the 8 BILLION even after DOGE admitted it was only 8 million?

How much did Biden save our country?

Stay tuned….more savings coming . Sorry it will upset you so much.

https://polymarket.com/doge

 

[volbound1700]

I would also argue that Putin and Russia are more akin to Italy and Mussolini than Hitler and Germany.

In fact, I think if the Germans really went 1930s/1940s again and behaved that way as a nation, they would quickly become more of a threat than Russia or China.

 

[FortSanders]

I disagree. Ukraine Russia affects Eastern Europe.
And we're still 40T in debt. At some point there is no money to assist.

Take Putin at his word. He wants Ukraine, the Baltic States, Moldova, Romania, the Czech Republic, and the Slovak republic- that is NATO.
If funds are diverted from the existing DOD budget into replacing weapons stocks, there is no need to increase expenses. Furthermore, if we sent Ukraine "off the shelf" arms including Abrams tanks and some of the 2,500 F16s in storage, the cost will be minimal. The Marines are going to decommission their entire stock of Abrams tanks and destroy them. It will cost more to destroy those tanks than it would be to send them to Ukraine. The same is true with the F16s.

 

[just bob]

Free speech lead to the holocaust? That's an interesting new spin on history.

Some seem to think so, ha

CBS host blasted for 'bonkers' claim that Nazi Germany 'weaponized' free speech

CBS’ “Face the Nation" host Margaret Brennan argued to Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Sunday that Nazi Germany used free speech to advance their agenda.

www.yahoo.com

 

[volbound1700]

Take Putin at his word. He wants Ukraine, the Baltic States, Moldova, Romania, the Czech Republic, and the Slovak republic- that is NATO.
If funds are diverted from the existing DOD budget into replacing weapons stocks, there is no need to increase expenses. Furthermore, if we sent Ukraine "off the shelf" arms including Abrams tanks and some of the 2,500 F16s in storage, the cost will be minimal. The Marines are going to decommission their entire stock of Abrams tanks and destroy them. It will cost more to destroy those tanks than it would be to send them to Ukraine. The same is true with the F16s.

While I understand that decommissioned equipment would reduce the Financial impact and I think it has been, to some extent, the dollar figure of items we are sending to Ukraine, there is still transportation costs to get it from point A to point B and that adds up.

 

[VOLLeeann]

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[McDad]

Take Putin at his word. He wants Ukraine, the Baltic States, Moldova, Romania, the Czech Republic, and the Slovak republic- that is NATO.
If funds are diverted from the existing DOD budget into replacing weapons stocks, there is no need to increase expenses. Furthermore, if we sent Ukraine "off the shelf" arms including Abrams tanks and some of the 2,500 F16s in storage, the cost will be minimal. The Marines are going to decommission their entire stock of Abrams tanks and destroy them. It will cost more to destroy those tanks than it would be to send them to Ukraine. The same is true with the F16s.

Why would I take Putin at his word? He lies about many things. Why would he be truthful about expanding?

 

[LouderVol]

In Munich in 1938, Chamberlain cut an agreement with Hitler to cede the Sudetenland a region in Czechoslovakia. He famously quoted Hitler's pronouncements stating that if Hitler received the Sudetenland, he would forgo any further territorial demands in Europe. He placed these words in a document, which he and Hitler signed. Chamberlain returned to England and claimed that he had achieved peace in our time. The world learned that one cannot buy loyalty from a dictator by ceding land. Chamberlain did this without the consent of the Czechoslovakian government. This was recognized as a policy of appeasement.

When Hitler broke his agreement and annexed the rest of Czechoslovakia. After that Hitler began making territorial claims on Poland, the Brits and the French entered into an alliance with Poland, hoping to deter Hitler.

Hitler invaded Poland on September 1, 1939.

Hitler doubled his manufacturing capacity by annexing Czechoslovakia. Almost half the tanks Hitler drove into France came from Czechoslovakia. Similarly, Putin hopes to double his manufacturing capacity and triple his control over rare earth minerals by annexing Ukraine. That would give Russia and China a virtual monopoly over these minerals.

The fight in Ukraine is a fight 1) democracy and 2) access to raw minerals available in Ukraine.

Trump is following the same strategy today as Chamberlain. Appeasement never works.

man you just described Iraq and Afghanistan to a T. How much did establishing Democracy in either of those work out for us? How much did the oil in Iraq and the Opium in Afghanistan help us? How much did us wasting time, money, and lives in those maintain our place in the world? If anything it hurt us across the board. Ukraine will be the same.

Trump has proposed annexation of Ukraine? even if you kept the same borders as today Ukraine would end up holding a small chunk of pre-war Russia. and besides the Czechs never fought back, Ukraine has, and would in the future even if this was somehow the London Conference.

most of the czech MIC in 1938 was devoted to small arms and towed artillery. The majority of the Czech tanks in German service were the captured ones, very few new ones were made by 1940 and certainly didn't make up close to 50% in the invasion of France. everything I am seeing has it in the mid 30%s for France. They ramped up numbers, but kept losing percentage as the war progressed.

and I would really need to see something backing up this so called virtual monopoly via Ukraine. we produce more REMs than Ukraine does, and have a larger reserve too. any amount they would contribute to China/Russia is negligible in shifting the balance.

 

[McDad]

While I understand that decommissioned equipment would reduce the Financial impact and I think it has been, to some extent, the dollar figure of items we are sending to Ukraine, there is still transportation costs to get it from point A to point B and that adds up.

Allow me to ask a different question.

You said the conflict has global implications, if Putin's expansionist rhetoric is ignored, what are the remaining global implications?

 

[LSU-SIU]

wow..

War in Ukraine

You keep saying this "paper tiger" thing but that is the reason why Russia is there. If they weren't a paper tiger they wouldn't be there. That's the whole purpose of the Ukraine.

The war is United States vs. Russia, with Europe being the battlefield.... the Ukraine is already the biggest loser.... there isn't much for Russia to lose but lots to gain. There isn't much for United States to lose directly but there really isn't much to gain.

Basically, all action has resulted in gains to Russia. Germans better learn to cut firewood and eat dirt. Europe looks like they will be first on the block for depopulation.

I tried to tell everyone.

Europe has been targeted for depopulation. Biden would have dumped Europe as well for different reasons, meaning there wasn't anything else to extract before you burn the ************ down.

Europe countries will be at war with europe countries.... Eastern Europe should be inviting Da Putin for dinner.

 

[LouderVol]

UK and France lost World War 2. Their Empires crumbled after the war and they are third-rate powers (if you can call them powers today). It was great for the world at large that Churchill made a stand but both would have been better off not diving into war with Nazi Germany to preserve their future. UK is in worse shape in 2025 than Germany or Japan. There is a very solid argument that UK lost the most in World War 2's aftermath.

European Powers constantly conquered their neighbors in the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, etc. with little intervention. How do you think Russia got so big? Did European nations or USA step in when Russia conquered Crimea Khanate? What about Kazakhstan or Dagestan, etc.?

uhmmmm, those predate the US so its a bad to drag us into that discussion.

 

[hog88]

if this pans out, how many Trump haters will send their $5000 back?

That’s dumb and defeats the purpose.

 

[LouderVol]

War in Ukraine



I tried to tell everyone.

Europe has been targeted for depopulation. Biden would have dumped Europe as well for different reasons, meaning there wasn't anything else to extract before you burn the ************ down.

Europe countries will be at war with europe countries.... Eastern Europe should be inviting Da Putin for dinner.

lol if they were paper tigers they would have already won and would have been able to impose their own terms. including any resettlement of Ukrainians into Siberia. its a real bad argument to say that Russia needs to kill the Ukrainians in the war to get what they want.