President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[Sea Ray]

Did you bitch when previous presidents used their "power" in endorsing candidates?

I'm not bitching. I'm giving my opinion. I don't understand why you're so defensive here. I'm a 3x Trump voter. Trump doesn't need your defense. He's a big boy

 

[Orange_Crush]

Trump has a tremendous amount of power. He knows it and he uses it. Without his endorsement JD Vance would not have won a Senate seat, not to mention his VP position. Bernie Moreno would not have won his Senate seat.

OK. It sounds like elections have consequences. That's how and why endorsements have always worked. They are useful when the endorser has enough popularity for it to be useful, and useless when they don't.

Again, you come across as a party hack that just wants to complain when the pendulum has swung away from your preferences. For all the "Threat to Democracy" cries, some folks are really bruised and fragile while they watch it playing out.

 

[LSU-SIU]

No, that is not how it works today because the fed does collect some revenue.

Yes, it is how it works today (see federal reserve act), whether it gets some of its revenue from other places is not material. That is a function of the system and yes its been running your whole life.

It would make sense to keep other taxing tools like tariffs i.e. punishment and impact imbalances in currency exchange and other. Which is even what the Orange Man has said.

You're playing fiction and trying to tell me your fiction is true, its not... .its just fiction.

Trump has a $700 billion plan to abolish income tax and replace IRS

The government says money isn't property—so it can take yours
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.255899/gov.uscourts.dcd.255899.18.0.pdf

For the record, I think the DOJ loses for the reason they actually state i.e. fiction of law. The court pretends something that is false is true.

fiction of law definition · LSData

A fiction of law is when people assume something is true even though it may not be. This is often used in court to change how a legal rule works. It's like pretending something is true to make things easier. For example, a legal fiction called a constructive trust is used to make sure someone who didn't own something gets to keep it. Legal fictions can be helpful, but they can also be confusing.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

That would be the tax. You're already printing a few trillion.

$1-1.5 trillion isnt nowhere near the $40T we would be printing in 5 years from now Evita...

 

[Sudden Impact]

Asking for status updates at work is actually 'adulting', and builds accountability.

It's hilarious. The people that think the US Federal gov't should be a major corporate employer think it's childish to treat it like a major corporate employer. You want to treat the gov't like a corporate employer? You got it. When a major corporation gets major upper executive leadership changes, it's not uncommon for them to go through and fire/layoff VAST parts of management and the workforce, then rehire according to the current leadership vision. I saw it happen at a major Fortune company not long ago. I wasn't cut, but I left voluntarily for another company before the cuts really ramped up.

I don't disagree, difference between corporate world and govt is huge. Manpower allocation, rules, job evaluations regulations, performance evaluations and the list goes on and on. Eliminate them on performance and not on a self evaluated essay. Evalutions don annually in Govt. Real simple thinking and a real simple approach. Eliminates needs for essays. Right now it is on fasttrack and ram rod up the back side.
If you dont respond considered as resignation. 2nd grade crap.
With this approach all will do is lead to lawsuits.
Expect a Govt shutdown within a months. Then we will have noone to blame but ourselves.

 

[Sea Ray]

That is a small gripe, and has little or nothing to do with your complaint that he should stay out of it and "leave it to Ohioans".

As has been mentioned, presidents have been endorsing candidates forever. At the end of the day, you're just telling us that you're either a party hack or a never-Trumper. Little more or less.

I see you're team guy in politics and you police your team aggressively. No cracks in the armor are allowed. I am a Trump supporter but I'm also a fair guy. No one is beyond criticism. I call 'em like I see 'em. I think that makes me more credible

 

[Sea Ray]

OK. It sounds like elections have consequences. That's how and why endorsements have always worked. They are useful when the endorser has enough popularity for it to be useful, and useless when they don't.

Again, you come across as a party hack that just wants to complain when the pendulum has swung away from your preferences. For all the "Threat to Democracy" cries, some folks are really bruised and fragile while they watch it playing out.

What party am I a hack for? I can't tell you the last time I voted for a Democrat.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You propose that the .gov just take what they need?

That's what they already do

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't disagree, difference between corporate world and govt is huge. Manpower allocation, rules, job evaluations regulations, performance evaluations and the list goes on and on. Eliminate them on performance and not on a self evaluated essay. Evalutions don annually in Govt. Real simple thinking and a real simple approach. Eliminates needs for essays. Right now it is on fasttrack and ram rod up the back side.
If you dont respond considered as resignation. 2nd grade crap.
With this approach all will do is lead to lawsuits.
Expect a Govt shutdown within a months. Then we will have noone to blame but ourselves.

1. It's not asking for an "essay". It's asking for 5 bullet points.
2. I'm on record that the threats, if on a short turnaround, are silly and won't hold up.
3. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I think it's silly and hypocritical to believe that the gov't should act like a corporate employer, while claiming that it shouldn't be treated like a corporate employer.
4. Good. If the gov't shuts down, it limits the number of problems that it can create, just so it can grow to "fix" them. If gov't shutdown is a buffet, I'm going back for seconds and thirds.

 

[LSU-SIU]

$1-1.5 trillion isnt nowhere near the $40T we would be printing in 5 years from now Evita...

You're looking at it wrong, through the eyes of someone that believes the $1T or the $40T exist. You would be taxed by the amount uniformly by the amount of new money supply, new money supply can come about by either public or private creation... as it is today.

You're still spending the same amount of money, and the tax is collect at the creation side if the government has to print it, if not than you would actually get a refund. Of course, the private side can create money just like it does today, see Federal Reserve Act.

Should we set up a federal agency to collect the overpopulation of cartoon characters running the country side? (same thing, none of it exists)

 

[Orange_Crush]

What party am I a hack for? I can't tell you the last time I voted for a Democrat.

OK, then it sounds like you're a never-Trumper, as I mentioned.

Either that, or you've been in a coma.

Complaining that a president endorsed a political candidate. lolol That's really good.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I see you're team guy in politics and you police your team aggressively. No cracks in the armor are allowed. I am a Trump supporter but I'm also a fair guy. No one is beyond criticism. I call 'em like I see 'em. I think that makes me more credible

lol

Again, complaining that a president endorsed a political candidate. Thank you. I needed something to brighten my day.

 

[Sea Ray]

OK, then it sounds like you're a never-Trumper, as I mentioned.

Either that, or you've been in a coma.

Complaining that a president endorsed a political candidate. lolol That's really good.

Did you miss my post where I said I've voted for Trump 3x? You have a strange definition of a Never Trumper

It sounds to me like you're a MAGA jerk. I agree with MAGA people on policy but I have to admit a lot of them are jerks

 

[LouderVol]

OK, then it sounds like you're a never-Trumper, as I mentioned.

Either that, or you've been in a coma.

Complaining that a president endorsed a political candidate. lolol That's really good.

people complained when Obama did it. People complained about Biden doing it.

just as long as presidents have been throwing their support around, people have been complaining about it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Did you miss my post where I said I've voted for Trump 3x? You have a strange definition of a Never Trumper

It sounds to me like you're a MAGA jerk. I agree with MAGA people on policy but I have to admit a lot of them are jerks

Yes. I hadn't gotten there yet.

I'm still grappling with complaints that a President endorsed a political candidate. I haven't heard even the most stringent MAGA/WOKE jerks come up with that one. If I've been a jerk, I apologize. My only defense is that it was such a surprising nit to pick that I was overcome with knee-jerk incredulity.

Carry on with your Trump support, please sir.

ETA: On second thought, if endorsement criticism is your biggest complaint, you are obviously a Trump supporter. I genuinely apologize for my assumptions about you.

 

[Orange_Crush]

people complained when Obama did it. People complained about Biden doing it.

just as long as presidents have been throwing their support around, people have been complaining about it.

I guess I just haven't paid enough attention. That is just... well. We'll just call it an odd hill to climb.

 

[RockyTop85]

Did you miss my post where I said I've voted for Trump 3x? You have a strange definition of a Never Trumper

It sounds to me like you're a MAGA jerk. I agree with MAGA people on policy but I have to admit a lot of them are jerks

Can confirm. Have argued with you about many things in which you were pretty strongly pro-Trump or pro-Republican agenda.

 

[LouderVol]

I guess I just haven't paid enough attention. That is just... well. We'll just call it an odd hill to climb.

its a partisan play. always has been, always will be.

its ok when your side does it, but its not ok when the other side does it. a lot gets conveniently forgotten whenever the party in charges switches. what used to be complaints about the president, get ignore with the next guy. things that were liked, suddenly become issues.

round and around we go.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

You're looking at it wrong, through the eyes of someone that believes the $1T or the $40T exist. You would be taxed by the amount uniformly by the amount of new money supply, new money supply can come about by either public or private creation... as it is today.

You're still spending the same amount of money, and the tax is collect at the creation side if the government has to print it, if not than you would actually get a refund. Of course, the private side can create money just like it does today, see Federal Reserve Act.

Should we set up a federal agency to collect the overpopulation of cartoon characters running the country side? (same thing, none of it exists)

Printing worked so well for Argentina. Paying $780 for something that cost $5 10 years ago.

Im not sure if I should call you Maradona or Evita.....

 

[Orange_Crush]

its a partisan play. always has been, always will be.

its ok when your side does it, but its not ok when the other side does it. a lot gets conveniently forgotten whenever the party in charges switches. what used to be complaints about the president, get ignore with the next guy. things that were liked, suddenly become issues.

round and around we go.

That was my point,. Thx.

(AAMOF, that's probably about 70% of my points in the PF of late.)

 

[LSU-SIU]

Printing worked so well for Argentina. Paying $780 for something that cost $5 10 years ago.

Im not sure if I should call you Maradona or Evita.....

But you are already printing here, that's a budget problem not a revenue problem. You brought up "revenue", the U.S. government can generate every penny at the source. You're still going to be paying the bill that Congress lays out but that is a different subject from what I pointed out to you.

I can't stop Congress from spending fake money.

 

[RockyTop85]

I guess I just haven't paid enough attention. That is just... well. We'll just call it an odd hill to climb.

I would wager that @Sea Ray probably doesn’t think Ramaswamey is a very good candidate and is irritated that he’s getting the endorsement, which may keep better candidates out of the race.

I doubt he’s upset that the president endorsed a candidate for governor.

 

[Sea Ray]

Can confirm. Have argued with you about many things in which you were pretty strongly pro-Trump or pro-Republican agenda.

I would like to think I've never been a jerk in those arguments but if I ever am, by all means, call me out. I like to keep my political discussions factual and not personal

At the end of the day we're all Big Orange fans here and that's really all that matters...

 

[Sea Ray]

I would wager that @Sea Ray probably doesn’t think Ramaswamey is a very good candidate and is irritated that he’s getting the endorsement, which may keep better candidates out of the race.

I doubt he’s upset that the president endorsed a candidate for governor.

To be honest I haven't picked a horse to ride yet. I'm stating a fact when I say that Trump has chosen our last 2 Senators and he will choose our next one, as well as our Governor. I've never known a President to wield so much power. It's kind of amazing

 

[Orange_Crush]

To be honest I haven't picked a horse to ride yet. I'm stating a fact when I say that Trump has chosen our last 2 Senators and he will choose our next one, as well as our Governor. I've never known a President to wield so much power. It's kind of amazing

I guess I can see that. But it's not like he's subverting the process.

My point (and amazement) is the popularity that Trump has right now. If the people are with him, I'm not sure how much we can complain that he has so much 'power'. I mean, as I mentioned, that's part of watching a democracy at work. It's why the Republicans are garnering so much (should we use the word?) sway right now. Trump seems to have plugged the party into the will of the 'people'. If he hadn't, he his endorsement would be useless, or worse than useless--detrimental.