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lawgator1 said:
If moderates in the Republican party had a spine I'd vote for them, too. I have
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That's the problem; as a whole, the GOP has no spine. Most of the ones they find with what appears to be a spine have the look and tact of a used care salesman. What we really want (but most people can't get around "qualified") and need is non politicians, but dems can't find any, and they don't like it when the GOP does. If you don't actually elect a non politician as president willing to take on DC, then you haven't done a damn thing worthwhile.
 
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LouderVol said:
Clearly doesnt understand ideologies.
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They are all 3 far left ideologies. The ultimate goal is a dictatorship where everyone is under the thumb of the government.

All 3 focus on censorship, suppressing opposition, freedom of speech and freedom of religion doesn't exist. All sound far left to me.

Sounds like you need to study actual history.
 
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DonjoVol said:
They are all 3 far left ideologies. The ultimate goal is a dictatorship where everyone is under the thumb of the government.

All 3 focus on censorship, suppressing opposition, freedom of speech and freedom of religion doesn't exist. All sound far left to me.

Sounds like you need to study actual history.
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Actual history where national socialism was far right and fought many civil wars against their far left communist brethren?

There is a reason Hitler and Stalin didnt get along. And it certainly wasnt because of a moustache competition.

The fascists believed the state belong to the people, what was socialized? Nationalism. Meanwhile the commies believed the people belonged to the state, which is why they were a socialist republics.
 
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LouderVol said:
Actual history where national socialism was far right and fought many civil wars against their far left communist brethren?

There is a reason Hitler and Stalin didnt get along. And it certainly wasnt because of a moustache competition.

The fascists believed the state belong to the people, what was socialized? Nationalism. Meanwhile the commies believed the people belonged to the state, which is why they were a socialist republics.
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You have been taught some false history. All ideologies used the same tactics to gain power. Tactics which have been employed by left wing, left, far left governments to gain power. The ultimate goal of all 3 was obedience to the state.

Nationalism is not just a right wing or far right ideology. It exists on both the left and right spectrums.

Hitler and Stalin once had a non aggression pact. Of course it didn't last. They both eventually had the same goal of gaining territory outside their borders.
 
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Here is one Libertarians breakdown on the ideological views. It isn’t a single axis left vs right. It’s actually two axes with one axis quantifying personal freedoms and the other economic freedoms. I tend to agree with this breakdown also.

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  • Bottom left – Statism. The opposite of libertarianism, corresponding with those supporting low economic and personal freedom.[15][16]
  • Top left – Left-wing political philosophies. Those supporting low economic freedom and high personal freedom.
  • Bottom right – Right-wing political philosophies. Those supporting high economic freedom and low personal freedom.
  • Top right – Libertarians. David Nolan's own philosophy, corresponding with those supporting high economic and personal freedom.
  • Center – Centrism. The center area defines the political middle, for those who favor a mixed system balancing both economic and personal freedom with the need for some market regulation and personal sacrifice.
 
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In the chart above I’d put the Democrats in the lower left quadrant and the Republicans in the lower right quadrant. Neither party is really hip on personal freedoms right now from their own rhetoric.
 
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AM64 said:
That's the problem; as a whole, the GOP has no spine. Most of the ones they find with what appears to be a spine have the look and tact of a used care salesman. What we really want (but most people can't get around "qualified") and need is non politicians, but dems can't find any, and they don't like it when the GOP does. If you don't actually elect a non politician as president willing to take on DC, then you haven't done a damn thing worthwhile.
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The Republicans, as a whole, have terrible leadership and no cohesive strategy. That is the problem. The Democrats have successfully implemented a long-game strategy over many decades in which they seized control over the public educational system, media and the labor unions. They have used the public educational system and media to brainwash country's youth. Republicans try to counter that long-term indoctrination with 20 second sound bites, and it doesn't work. The Democrats over the past 15 years have become incredibly racially and economically divisive through their socialist policies. The Republican party has to get better organized, it has to choose the core principles upon which it stands, it has to actually find candidates that can articulate those principles and stay on-message, and most importantly, they have to actually FOLLOW-THROUGH on supporting those core principles once they are in office.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Here is one Libertarians breakdown on the ideological views. It isn’t a single axis left vs right. It’s actually two axes with one axis quantifying personal freedoms and the other economic freedoms. I tend to agree with this breakdown also.

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  • Bottom left – Statism. The opposite of libertarianism, corresponding with those supporting low economic and personal freedom.[15][16]
  • Top left – Left-wing political philosophies. Those supporting low economic freedom and high personal freedom.
  • Bottom right – Right-wing political philosophies. Those supporting high economic freedom and low personal freedom.
  • Top right – Libertarians. David Nolan's own philosophy, corresponding with those supporting high economic and personal freedom.
  • Center – Centrism. The center area defines the political middle, for those who favor a mixed system balancing both economic and personal freedom with the need for some market regulation and personal sacrifice.
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The liberal left is for personal freedom?
 
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Vol423 said:
The Republicans, as a whole, have terrible leadership and no cohesive strategy. That is the problem. The Democrats have successfully implemented a long-game strategy over many decades in which they seized control over the public educational system, media and the labor unions. They have used the public educational system and media to brainwash country's youth. Republicans try to counter that long-term indoctrination with 20 second sound bites, and it doesn't work. The Democrats over the past 15 years have become incredibly racially and economically divisive through their socialist policies. The Republican party has to get better organized, it has to choose the core principles upon which it stands, it has to actually find candidates that can articulate those principles and stay on-message, and most importantly, they have to actually FOLLOW-THROUGH on supporting those core principles once they are in office.
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GOP is controlled opposition.
 
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Vol423 said:
The Republicans, as a whole, have terrible leadership and no cohesive strategy. That is the problem. The Democrats have successfully implemented a long-game strategy over many decades in which they seized control over the public educational system, media and the labor unions. They have used the public educational system and media to brainwash country's youth. Republicans try to counter that long-term indoctrination with 20 second sound bites, and it doesn't work. The Democrats over the past 15 years have become incredibly racially and economically divisive through their socialist policies. The Republican party has to get better organized, it has to choose the core principles upon which it stands, it has to actually find candidates that can articulate those principles and stay on-message, and most importantly, they have to actually FOLLOW-THROUGH on supporting those core principles once they are in office.
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Agree. It's seemed like the GOP mindset is fractured because the members don't wish to represent a common cause - except that most (but certainly not all) don't want to be dems. The "not all" includes the normal suspects including Romney. You are right that the dems are devoted to one or more political camps and act cohesively. I like the diverse GOP mindset, but it doesn't work well against a dedicated opposition supporting an official party line. We'll have a fully bipolar government if and when the GOP radicalizes and becomes as obstinate as the dems; at this point, that would probably be a good thing - like team sports, one team cannot beat the other unless they are similarly organized and devoted to winning. Maybe that's bad for the country, but when one side radicalizes, it's all that's left - short of executions.
 
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If things couldn’t get any worse right now.
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Perhaps they might demonstrate what 1/6 would have been if it was a real insurrection? Wonder if ISIS can brand itself as a protected dem diversity and their raids be considered "mostly peaceful". Whatever the case, Brandon brought them here ... lay down with dogs ...
 
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