President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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LouderVol said:
You are conflating a bunch of different thing

1. Modern ideologies vs the ideologies of the time. Modern far right doesnt equal ww2 far right. Just like our founding fathers were the left during their time, but would now be considered far right.
2. Tactics vs ideologies. Just because they both used similar tactics in enforcing the ideologies doesnt mean they are aligned ideologically and believe the same thing. Similar to a triple option offense vs RPO. Both rely on a player running the ball, but that doesnt mean the concepts behind the execution of the two are the same. Different blocking schemes, different personnel.
3. End goals as ideologies. Pretty much any form of governments end goal is compliance with the state. Democracies, and anarchist included. The compliance is the same, but what you are complying to is vastly different, that's what is going on with WW2 Fascism vs communism.

Under you oversimplistic worldview WW2 America was also far left.
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You are still incorrect. Sorry to inform you but you have been taught some concepts of history incorrectly.

Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and some others at that time and some others after WW2 all based their governments off left wing ideology. The ultimate goal being obedience to the state. Suppression of speech, religion, and press were common. Religion ultimately had to be compatible with the state. Corporations were ultimately under the control of the state in all of these forms of government.

Hitler also said he idolized Ataturk. Would you consider Ataturk left or right?

The reason Hitler and Mussolini are often called right or far right is because they are considered enemies of Marxism, Communism, etc. Instead of simply admitting they are left wing or far left ideologies they simply falsely have called them far right. Makes it easier to identify as an enemy. And somehow this concept has been falsely taught in history classes and books now. Even though at one time they were all considered left wing ideologies.

Same tactics, same goals, same forms of government which is why Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism all belong on the left side of the spectrum. Simple as that. Anybody using common sense, critical thinking, and logic can figure it out.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You are still incorrect. Sorry to inform you but you have been taught some concepts of history incorrectly.

Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and some others at that time and some others after WW2 all based their governments off left wing ideology. The ultimate goal being obedience to the state. Suppression of speech, religion, and press were common. Religion ultimately had to be compatible with the state. Corporations were ultimately under the control of the state in all of these forms of government.

Hitler also said he idolized Ataturk. Would you consider Ataturk left or right?

The reason Hitler and Mussolini are often called right or far right is because they are considered enemies of Marxism, Communism, etc. Instead of simply admitting they are left wing or far left ideologies they simply falsely have called them far right. Makes it easier to identify as an enemy. And somehow this concept has been falsely taught in history classes and books now. Even though at one time they were all considered left wing ideologies.

Same tactics, same goals, same forms of government which is why Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism all belong on the left side of the spectrum. Simple as that. Anybody using common sense, critical thinking, and logic can figure it out.
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The extreme end of people that want to be left alone (right) is pure anarchy/anarcho-capitalism.
 
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VolStrom said:
I'm having a hard time trying to understand why Biden wants them to pump more oil? I thought the idea of this climate change mirage was to cut fossil fuel use, not increase it.
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Because the actual goal isn’t about the climate, it is to destroy the US petroleum industry since it so often opposes the rest of the Leftist agenda. Whatever the left’s cognitive shortcomings, they do under the value of defunding and silencing their opposition. Something the poor spineless wonders on the conservative side never seem to learn, as they continue to pump taxpayer money into liberal colleges, “public” broadcasting, and tax breaks to Hollywood studios and woke corporations.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You are still incorrect. Sorry to inform you but you have been taught some concepts of history incorrectly.

Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and some others at that time and some others after WW2 all based their governments off left wing ideology. The ultimate goal being obedience to the state. Suppression of speech, religion, and press were common. Religion ultimately had to be compatible with the state. Corporations were ultimately under the control of the state in all of these forms of government.

Hitler also said he idolized Ataturk. Would you consider Ataturk left or right?

The reason Hitler and Mussolini are often called right or far right is because they are considered enemies of Marxism, Communism, etc. Instead of simply admitting they are left wing or far left ideologies they simply falsely have called them far right. Makes it easier to identify as an enemy. And somehow this concept has been falsely taught in history classes and books now. Even though at one time they were all considered left wing ideologies.

Same tactics, same goals, same forms of government which is why Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism all belong on the left side of the spectrum. Simple as that. Anybody using common sense, critical thinking, and logic can figure it out.
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Except they arent the same form of government. Which is the only thing that matters to this argument. As I said to someone else, if you just said they were authoratarian or totalitarian, you would be correct. That doesnt care about ideology and which way the practitioner leads.

The national socialists looked after one specifc "race" or more correctly nationality, German. And they did things to empower those specific people. At least to the public, that's what made the Nazis different than the KPD. They did that to the detriment of others, but empowering people is a right leaning ideology. They just took it way way too far. Which is why they are FAR right.

The communists took power from every people and gave it to the state, which is why they are on the left side. They similarly took power away to such an extent it was a determinant to those involved, which is why they are FAR left.

You are caught up in the practical similarities of two totalitarian regimes in a cutthroat struggle for world dominance, where you dont understand the ideological differences between the two. Under your definition the entire world involved in WWII was "far left", and it's only because you ignore context.

Neither communism nor fascism have an ideological requirement for a heavy police state. Communism requires the state to control all means of production, fascism doesnt. You would be hard pressed to find a german company during WWII that was controlled the same way Soviets controlled them.
 
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AM64 said:
On biden's behalf, you should never attend conferences a few time zones east. A couple in Sweden and Vienna almost killed me. Seems like a lot of us handle west time shifts a lot better than east going time shifts.
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Too bad you didn’t have recourse to a flying five star hotel with luxury bedroom and three star kitchen like sleepy Joe. No excuse for jet lag under those conditions unless you already have trouble staying awake in your OWN time zone
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Too bad you didn’t have recourse to a flying five star hotel with luxury bedroom and three star kitchen like sleepy Joe. No excuse for jet lag under those conditions unless you already have trouble staying awake in your OWN time zone
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If he had any friends they would have a way to break him out of jail. A faux China invading the Taiwan ruse should be good for a 3 or 4 hour nap.
 
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