President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[DonjoVol]

Except they arent the same form of government. Which is the only thing that matters to this argument. As I said to someone else, if you just said they were authoratarian or totalitarian, you would be correct. That doesnt care about ideology and which way the practitioner leads.

The national socialists looked after one specifc "race" or more correctly nationality, German. And they did things to empower those specific people. At least to the public, that's what made the Nazis different than the KPD. They did that to the detriment of others, but empowering people is a right leaning ideology. They just took it way way too far. Which is why they are FAR right.

The communists took power from every people and gave it to the state, which is why they are on the left side. They similarly took power away to such an extent it was a determinant to those involved, which is why they are FAR left.

You are caught up in the practical similarities of two totalitarian regimes in a cutthroat struggle for world dominance, where you dont understand the ideological differences between the two. Under your definition the entire world involved in WWII was "far left", and it's only because you ignore context.

Neither communism nor fascism have an ideological requirement for a heavy police state. Communism requires the state to control all means of production, fascism doesnt. You would be hard pressed to find a german company during WWII that was controlled the same way Soviets controlled them.

We will just agree to disagree on where to put them on the spectrum. There are too many similarities in all 3 to separate them by left and right. More similarities than differences. The ultimate goal was the same, which was complete centralized power by the state and complete submission to the government based upon a political ideology. Which is what makes all 3 of those ideologies left wing/ far left.

Also. Hitler and Stalin both were anti- capitalist. Both even stated such. And both stated their desire for socialism in their own countries. Even though their governments were similar they eventually fought each other. Left wing governments and groups have typically fought each other for control throughout history. Take a look at the early Soviet Union. The feud between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. The disagreements between Trotsky and Stalin. Trotsky was ultimately assassinated. Stalin had many other communist and left wing opponents purged or imprisoned in order to solidify his control in the Soviet Union. Which were tactics that Hitler ultimately used as well to gain power in Germany.

 

[LouderVol]

We will just agree to disagree on where to put them on the spectrum. There are too many similarities in all 3 to separate them by left and right. More similarities than differences. The ultimate goal was the same, which was complete centralized power by the state and complete submission to the government based upon a political ideology. Which is what makes all 3 of those ideologies left wing/ far left.

Also. Hitler and Stalin both were anti- capitalist. Both even stated such. And both stated their desire for socialism in their own countries. Even though their governments were similar they eventually fought each other. Left wing governments and groups have typically fought each other for control throughout history. Take a look at the early Soviet Union. The feud between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. The disagreements between Trotsky and Stalin. Trotsky was ultimately assassinated. Stalin had many other communist and left wing opponents purged or imprisoned in order to solidify his control in the Soviet Union. Which were tactics that Hitler ultimately used as well to gain power in Germany.

Again none of your points address ideology at all. And you continue to ignore that democracies also want power centralized and complete obedience to the state. It's literally the goal of every government ever.

Your inability to grasp the differences here is why we are stuck with two crap parties, and why nothing gets better, and why the next president will be even worse than Biden.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

сука блять

I love the Russian language. A beautiful woman speaking Russian makes my knees weak.

 

[hog88]

I love the Russian language. A beautiful woman speaking Russian makes my knees weak.

Commie!

 

[DonjoVol]

Again none of your points address ideology at all. And you continue to ignore that democracies also want power centralized and complete obedience to the state. It's literally the goal of every government ever.

Your inability to grasp the differences here is why we are stuck with two crap parties, and why nothing gets better, and why the next president will be even worse than Biden.

Not every government wants "complete" obedience to the state or one party rule. But that was the goal of Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism as well as some ideologies today.

At this point I would just recommend some further study on the subject. I once bought into the teachings that fascism and national socialism was far right. Actually, history books try to pass off Hitler as a fascist which he was not. He was a socialist. After further reading, self study, and help from one professor I along with many others have come to the conclusion that all 3 are far left ideologies.

Regardless of where people think they should be on the left- right spectrum, they are all 3 evil ideologies. I think most people can agree on that.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[landscapingvol]

Not every government wants "complete" obedience to the state or one party rule. But that was the goal of Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism as well as some ideologies today.

At this point I would just recommend some further study on the subject. I once bought into the teachings that fascism and national socialism was far right. Actually, history books try to pass off Hitler as a fascist which he was not. He was a socialist. After further reading, self study, and help from one professor I along with many others have come to the conclusion that all 3 are far left ideologies.

Regardless of where people think they should be on the left- right spectrum, they are all 3 evil ideologies. I think most people can agree on that.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

Well he did steal from other countries and his own citizens (Jews and other political dissidents) to pay for his work programs like the Autobahn and rearmaments which the Left would love to do

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[C-south]

You need to just own your hatred of gay folks at this point. You hoped in a different thread that Pete would be referred to as a "cigarette" while he was overseas.

I said they should ask Pete for a cigarette. I don’t hate anybody. People should do what makes them happy without having to have everyone’s unconditional support of whatever that is.

 

[ButchPlz]

I said they should ask Pete for a cigarette. I don’t hate anybody. People should do what makes them happy without having to have everyone’s unconditional support of whatever that is.

Besides, if old Pete is born that way, why should we celebrate something he had no control over?

 

[C-south]

Besides, if old Pete is born that way, why should we celebrate something he had no control over?

For the sake of diversity. We can assume all of Pete’s accomplishments are solely due to his innate lifestyle choices.

 

[Orangeburst]

For Pete’s Sake

 

[BreatheUT]

I bet it was 10:00 in the morning…. Long hours… sure….. and he’s an old feeble mumbler embarrassing the USA every time he makes a public appearance….. and look at his back up…. Holy S!

I really think they need to give him a stand in. A body double. They can consult experts in Hollywood on the makeup.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Turns out even the Democrats are starting to hate Biden’s guts.

 

[BreatheUT]

Turns out even the Democrats are starting to hate Biden’s guts.

I'm more concerned about the 36%. That should also tell you the base of support who is saying Biden is doing a good job. He could be fed oatmeal from a spoon and 40% will vote for him.

 

[DonjoVol]

Turns out even the Democrats are starting to hate Biden’s guts.

They are embarrassed by him. But most would still vote for him if he's the nominee in 2024

 

[VolStrom]

They are embarrassed by him. But most would still vote for him if he's the nominee in 2024

They should have to pass a basic cognitive function test to prove they can actually walk and chew gum at the same time then.

 

[AM64]

Again none of your points address ideology at all. And you continue to ignore that democracies also want power centralized and complete obedience to the state. It's literally the goal of every government ever.

Your inability to grasp the differences here is why we are stuck with two crap parties, and why nothing gets better, and why the next president will be even worse than Biden.

Ideology makes little difference to people who suffer basically the same treatment from systems that are supposedly diametrically opposed ... but in reality most aren't all that different. It doesn't really matter much if the Nazis or the communists reeducate, or if both take away basic freedoms and use secret police to enforce, or if both take private property and businesses away. Semantics are just words - actions are actions. Both Nazis and communists practiced one form of genocide or another; both left mass graves. At some point what does it matter? Is one brand of tyranny better than another, or one outcome better than another? This is "my brand of atrocity maker is better than your brand of atrocity maker", and I don't think the real victims would care much about the semantics.

The diagram in question is missing two boxes. One spanning the bottom for totalitarian regimes, and one at the top for anarchy (or lack of government). Funny thing is that there's generally been more totalitarians than places with no government control at all. Somebody will always feel a need to control others. Every government will gravitate toward total control rather than less control. Look at our collection of states and federalism; look at he European Union and their federalism - the British didn't care much for where that was headed.

 

[AM64]

They should have to pass a basic cognitive function test to prove they can actually walk and chew gum at the same time then.

We really don't vet formally candidates before they run for office - especially the ability to pass the same security requirements that face military personnel. Apparently the thought is the other side will make a stink if things are way wrong - dems would; I doubt the wimpy GOP would.

 

[AM64]

Turns out even the Democrats are starting to hate Biden’s guts.

What really would be fun is to start a dem party food fight between there "moderates" and the rest, and fracture the party. I can't imagine how a moderate and reasonable person can stay in that party - any party really. I personally tend to side with republicans not because I like them but because dems have made me anti-dem.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

What really would be fun is to start a dem party food fight between there "moderates" and the rest, and fracture the party. I can't imagine how a moderate and reasonable person can stay in that party - any party really. I personally tend to side with republicans not because I like them but because dems have made me anti-dem.

 

[NEO]

They should have to pass a basic cognitive function test to prove they can actually walk and chew gum at the same time then.

If the voting requirement was immediately changed to 21 and up and you must either be currently employed/serving, own land, or over the age of 65 this country would change over night and we would have a balanced budget within a year.

 

[Vol423]

I'm more concerned about the 36%. That should also tell you the base of support who is saying Biden is doing a good job. He could be fed oatmeal from a spoon and 40% will vote for him.

Biden could be dead, and that same 36% would still support him in polls. They clearly aren't paying attention to anything that is happening in the world. They would have no idea whatsoever that they were supporting a dead man.

 

[Vol423]

If the voting requirement was immediately changed to 21 and up and you must either be currently employed/serving, own land, or over the age of 65 this country would change over night and we would have a balanced budget within a year.

...but of course, liberals of all ages would continue to vote because you can't ask anyone for an ID. That would be racist.

 

[ButchPlz]

...but of course, liberals of all ages would continue to vote because you can't ask anyone for an ID. That would be racist.

I still cannot understand that. Countries all over the world have ID requirements and other security measures yet only here in the US is it "racist". Insulting and insane both.

 

[Vol423]

I still cannot understand that. Countries all over the world have ID requirements and other security measures yet only here in the US is it "racist". Insulting and insane both.

...consider the source of this nonsense.