President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[AirVol]

So was yours during Trump's term. Maybe different reasons

Good one

 

[AirVol]

 

[Vol423]

So don't mention 2 of his worst? Ok

Huge deficits and massive handouts including half a trillion untraceable to his friend to pay off contributors. Lack of any real immigration reform. Rebooting NAFTA after getting Pelosi's blessing

Please direct our attention to the real immigration reform under the Obama/Biden administration and/or the Biden/Harris administration. Oh, that's right. In 9 combined years, there wasn't any.

 

[utvolpj]

Please direct our attention to the real immigration reform under the Obama/Biden administration and/or the Biden/Harris administration. Oh, that's right. In 9 combined years, there wasn't any.

I agree and don't believe I've claimed differently. Let's also quit counting a wall as viable immigration policy. Deal?

 

[NorthDallas40]

The new low hanging leftist fruit on the board.

Eh I don’t think we can assign a left or right label here. I’m not sure I see a cohesive thought train which we could assign to a political stance

 

[NorthDallas40]

I agree and don't believe I've claimed differently. Let's also quit counting a wall as viable immigration policy. Deal?

A wall is a perfectly acceptable component within a comprehensive plan and let’s stop conflating the message that the wall was the whole approach. Deal?

 

[utvolpj]

A wall is a perfectly acceptable component within a comprehensive plan and let’s stop conflating the message that the wall was the whole approach. Deal?

What was this comprehensive plan?

Much of the wall was a grift

 

[NorthDallas40]

What was this comprehensive plan?

Much of the wall was a grift

So there’s remain in Mexico. He also augmented border security departments.

By the way the Dems were all about wanting a wall when it was their idea. Do I need to get links or can you just accept that claim at face value?

 

[hog88]

What was this comprehensive plan?

Much of the wall was a grift

Much of all govt spending is grift.

 

[Vol423]

I agree and don't believe I've claimed differently. Let's also quit counting a wall as viable immigration policy. Deal?

The wall was never claimed to be immigration reform. Only liberals and other uninformed individuals claim that it was. The policy was to actually close the border to illegal immigration. Then, once the border is actually under control, you introduce immigration reform.

 

[hog88]

The wall was never claimed to be immigration reform. Only liberals and other uninformed individuals claim that it was. The policy was to actually close the border to illegal immigration. Then, once the border is actually under control, you introduce immigration reform.

Immigration reform is a figment of imagination. Neither side wants to fix our antiquated immigration and citizenship policies.

 

[headhunter15]

My crazy progressive aunt posted on Facebook that drilling in America would kill our climate, but posted positive about get oil from Venezuela…

 

[theFallGuy]

Well from what I read ole Sleepy Joe doesn't care that Americans are getting squeezed at the pump because "electric vehicles".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

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I don't think this is going to shame these guys. They want high gasoline prices to justify us switching over to EVs. They are happy about how things are setting up. Seriously...

 

[headhunter15]

 

[utvolpj]

So there’s remain in Mexico. He also augmented border security departments.

By the way the Dems were all about wanting a wall when it was their idea. Do I need to get links or can you just accept that claim at face value?

I don't really need a whataboutism link. The wall is theater. What we need is policy that addresses the real need for labor in this country. That was never even touched

 

[utvolpj]

Much of all govt spending is grift.

True but that one wall project from the disabled vet turned out to be a true scam. Think he went to jail?

 

[utvolpj]

The wall was never claimed to be immigration reform. Only liberals and other uninformed individuals claim that it was. The policy was to actually close the border to illegal immigration. Then, once the border is actually under control, you introduce immigration reform.

Sounds a lot like the Reagan amnesty deal. How's that work out.

If you take years to get it done then nothing gets since. Meanwhile the politicians from both sides get to run campaigns on it and also get rich off the cheap labor. They're the only ones who win

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

My crazy progressive aunt posted on Facebook that drilling in America would kill our climate, but posted positive about get oil from Venezuela…

I don't understand how that works in their minds.

 

[utvolpj]

My crazy progressive aunt posted on Facebook that drilling in America would kill our climate, but posted positive about get oil from Venezuela…

Iirc Venezuela oil is dirty too. We're one of the few places that can refine it

 

[Vol423]

Sounds a lot like the Reagan amnesty deal. How's that work out.

If you take years to get it done then nothing gets since. Meanwhile the politicians from both sides get to run campaigns on it and also get rich off the cheap labor. They're the only ones who win

Notice that Reagan didn't shut off the illegal immigration first. You guys complaining about this either don't want to stop illegal immigration (which is DEFINITELY the leftist position), you're incredibly disingenous (which I believe is your classification), or you're incredibly slow.

 

[theFallGuy]

Skyrocketing US oil and gas prices forecasts to hit RECESSION-LEVEL highs: analyst STEPHEN SCHORK | Daily Mail Online

 

[utvolpj]

Notice that Reagan didn't shut off the illegal immigration first. You guys complaining about this either don't want to stop illegal immigration (which is DEFINITELY the leftist position), you're incredibly disingenous (which I believe is your classification), or you're incredibly slow.

You stop it with policy and reform that addresses our needs, not walls

 

[508mikey]

Well from what I read ole Sleepy Joe doesn't care that Americans are getting squeezed at the pump because "electric vehicles".

Look up the price of one A Rivian SUV starts at 70 k

 

[Vol423]

You stop it with policy and reform that addresses our needs, not walls

Like I said, that's disingenuous. Legal policies are in place if you don't shut off illegal immigration. Also, when you even start debating actual immigration reform policies in Congress, the flood of illegal immigrants will skyrocket in anticipation of potential amnesty.