President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[utvolpj]

Like I said, that's disingenuous. Legal policies are in place if you don't shut off illegal immigration. Also, when you even start debating actual immigration reform policies in Congress, the flood of illegal immigrants will skyrocket in anticipation of potential amnesty.

Is it more important to build a border monument or address the real needs of industries around this country in need of labor? There are not policies in place for that

 

[norrislakevol]

Gas was cheap because we were locked down in a global pandemic and you had the foresight to know it was going to go back up once demand went back up? Man, you're like, a genius or something.

It was cheap before then too.

This may help. Check out the wholesale prices pre pandemic. Then look at the jump once potato head took charge.

Tennessee Total Gasoline Wholesale/Resale Price by Refiners (Dollars per Gallon)

 

[Vol423]

I'm now waiting for utvolpj's retort that walls don't work. Of course, they're deemed highly effective for the White House, the Capital, and of course, the houses of the overwhelming majority of Congress members and the wealthy elite.

 

[Vol423]

Is it more important to build a border monument or address the real needs of industries around this country in need of labor? There are not policies in place for that

...and he beat me to it. There it is - the "border monument". You're consuming the leftist propaganda with vigor.

 

[utvolpj]

...and he beat me to it. There it is - the "border monument". You're consuming the leftist propaganda with vigor.

No I'm not. My stance has been the same for quite a while. The wall is essentially useless and the reform needs to address our needs. No one wants to do it because they've so effectively sold their team on the idea they can't back down now and risk their money maker

Politics doesn't have to be binary. Think for yourself

 

[BreatheUT]

Covid relief in the form of PPE and the federal bump in unemployment. He should have refuse to sign any of that without provisions limiting money to states that shut down.

I agree

 

[BreatheUT]

Both of those were great policies

I agree that is why I told PJ not to even think about bringing them up. Hog brought up a good one.

 

[BreatheUT]

The left views the border wall as bad policy because it’s a barrier in more ways than one, particularly to their desire flood the electorate through purchased votes. They know it, we know it. It’s that simple.

One of their long-term goals.

 

[Vol423]

No I'm not. My stance has been the same for quite a while. The wall is essentially useless and the reform needs to address our needs. No one wants to do it because they've so effectively sold their team on the idea they can't back down now and risk their money maker

Politics doesn't have to be binary. Think for yourself

You have ZERO desire to eliminate illegal immigration. Once you actually admit that fact, then we can at least have an honest discussion. We can't because you're happy to continue illegal immigration, but you won't admit it.

The wall under construction plus the policies in effect under Trump were significantly decreasing illegal immigration. Any claim to the contrary is politically motivated, disingenuous drivel.

 

[utvolpj]

Both of those were great policies

I agree that is why I told PJ not to even think about bringing them up. Hog brought up a good one.

Great policies? They were trash and the numbers say the same. You guys prove that Trump is a marketing genius. He didn't even have to deliver for you to back him completely. He's the ultimate rug pull

 

[utvolpj]

You have ZERO desire to eliminate illegal immigration. Once you actually admit that fact, then we can at least have an honest discussion. We can't because you're happy to continue illegal immigration, but you won't admit it.

The wall under construction plus the policies in effect under Trump were significantly decreasing illegal immigration. Any claim to the contrary is politically motivated, disingenuous drivel.

We need labor to address our needs. That's something you can't admit. You only care because it's one of your team colors.

I say bring on the free market and let it decide. Why are you against the free market? Would you not call yourself a conservative?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't really need a whataboutism link. The wall is theater. What we need is policy that addresses the real need for labor in this country. That was never even touched

LMAO it isn’t a whataboutism it’s a fact that the Dems flip flopped on this issue when it wasn’t politically expedient for them anymore! Hilarious that you’d even try to claim that

 

[norrislakevol]

You have ZERO desire to eliminate illegal immigration. Once you actually admit that fact, then we can at least have an honest discussion. We can't because you're happy to continue illegal immigration, but you won't admit it.

The wall under construction plus the policies in effect under Trump were significantly decreasing illegal immigration. Any claim to the contrary is politically motivated, disingenuous drivel.

All one has to do is look at the numbers of illegals coming in now, verses then. It's simple, Trumps policies worked. One key thing he did was go after Mexico for letting them cross their country without trying to stop them.

I could be easily solved by just going after the enablers here, but no one wants to do that on either side.

 

[utvolpj]

LMAO it isn’t a whataboutism it’s a fact that the Dems flip flopped on this issue when it wasn’t politically expedient for them anymore! Hilarious that you’d even try to claim that

It was whataboutism because what does that have to do with my post? It implied my stance was hypocritical since the Dems wanted a wall. I don't care what either party believes

 

[BreatheUT]

So don't mention 2 of his worst? Ok

Huge deficits and massive handouts including half a trillion untraceable to his friend to pay off contributors. Lack of any real immigration reform. Rebooting NAFTA after getting Pelosi's blessing

I'd like more info on the 1/2 trillion.

Close the border first before reform. I'm sure you're familiar with the way solutions work. And you can't blame Trump for immigration reform. What are you - an illegal? You seem to be stuck on this. Handle the short term solution then work on the long term solution. I gotta be honest, I don't want any of them as citizens now. Dreamers - none of them. The Biden adminstration led by Mayorkas has intentionally flooded the country with illegals. Are they just that stupid or are they thinking down the road like you. Make them all citizens.

Hmmm I thought USMCA replaced NAFTA.

 

[utvolpj]

I'd like more info on the 1/2 trillion.

Close the border first before reform. I'm sure you're familiar with the way solutions work. And you can't blame Trump for immigration reform. What are you - an illegal? You seem to be stuck on this. Handle the short term solution then work on the long term solution. I gotta be honest, I don't want any of them as citizens now. Dreamers - none of them. The Biden adminstration led by Mayorkas has intentionally flooded the country with illegals. Are they just that stupid or are they thinking down the road like you. Make them all citizens.

Hmmm I thought USMCA replaced NAFTA.

Look up Mnuchin. It was his money

 

[NorthDallas40]

It was whataboutism because what does that have to do with my post? It implied my stance was hypocritical since the Dems wanted a wall. I don't care what either party believes

Maybe I should go to pull up a link on whataboutism instead of the Dems support for the wall in the past then

Yes it was relevant to your post also.

 

[BreatheUT]

A wall is a perfectly acceptable component within a comprehensive plan and let’s stop conflating the message that the wall was the whole approach. Deal?

I 2nd this

 

[RavinDave]

I don't think this is going to shame these guys. They want high gasoline prices to justify us switching over to EVs. They are happy about how things are setting up. Seriously...

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that this is their game plan.

 

[utvolpj]

Maybe I should go to pull up a link on whataboutism instead of the Dems support for the wall in the part then

Yes it was relevant to your post also.

How was it relevant when I don't care about what Dems wanted? It addressed none of my post and only served to introduce one of my young kids favorite debate tactics of "but he did it first!"

 

[utvolpj]

I 2nd this

I might even if there was any semblance of a comprehensive plan that addressed labor needs

 

[NorthDallas40]

How was it relevant when I don't care about what Dems wanted? It addressed none of my post and only served to introduce one of my young kids favorite debate tactics of "but he did it first!"

The wall has/had broad bipartisan support as a component in a comprehensive plan which was my reply to you. That’s what it shows. Maybe I should go find that definition of whataboutism for you.

 

[utvolpj]

The wall has/had broad bipartisan support as a component in a comprehensive plan which was my reply to you. That’s what it shows. Maybe I should go find that definition of whataboutism for you.

Part of what comprehensive plan?

 

[volinbham]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Part of what comprehensive plan?

Ok that’s an overstatement on my part I agree. There is no current comprehensive plan from either party