President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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LouderVol said:
not at the federal level. but I thought if you break a state law you can be still charged.
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Presidential Pardons only deal with violations of federal law, which is why some of these crime should be investigated as it could involve multiple jurisdictions which could be prosecuted. Further, the pardons do not stop civil process at the federal level.
 
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LouderVol said:
not at the federal level. but I thought if you break a state law you can be still charged.
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If I read that correctly, a pardon isn't really considered in effect until it's accepted, and it isn't considered accepted until there are charges. As such, "accepting" the pardon is basically a guilty plea. So, it means a lot that the process can and should happen. That acceptance takes "pleading the 5th" off the table, so they have to answer questions honestly as part of the process.

This could give the public confirmation of the claims, even if they can't be put in jail. It continues the process and potentially exposes other conspirators who may not have pardons. It opens them up to potential state charges. (Which I guess probably open up the option of pleading the 5th? Or not, since they already plead guilty by accepting the pardon...)
 
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LouderVol said:
not at the federal level. but I thought if you break a state law you can be still charged.
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Yea, they can still be charged by a State in one of LG’s “completely unrelated and uncoordinated” actions.

85SugarVol said:
Gerald Ford’s pardon of Nixon was preemptive.

I have no idea what will happen if these people get called to testify.
They can obviously still be pursued by a State AG or DA.

But this overturning of a Presidential Pardon is fool’s gold.
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85SugarVol said:
Because the Presidential Pardon power is absolute.

There is no mechanism to challenge it.
None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
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We have never had a mentally incapacitated president before Biden though. Don't you find it frightening that he was ruled incompetent to be charged, but he still had the capacity to enact all the other aspects of that office?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
We have never had a mentally incapacitated president before Biden though. Don't you find it frightening that he was ruled incompetent to be charged, but he still had the capacity to enact all the other aspects of that office?
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Of course.

But I don’t think it’s gonna matter one bit as to whether or not the power of the presidential pardon (and its execution) is absolute.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It can still be challenged. The extenuating circumstances were clearly dangerous. What if it can be proved he didn't know what he was signing?
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It can? Where?

The US Congress has no oversight here.
The US Courts have no jurisdiction here.

Girl Scouts? Catholic Church? United Nations?
Maybe all the way to the Galactic Senate?
 
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EasternVol said:
Wilson and Reagan come to mind.
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I watched the Lockerbie series about Pan Am 103 on CNN.

There a lot of clips of Reagan in ‘87-‘88. A time we know now that he was in early dementia.

Official statements, press conferences, speeches, ad lib gaggles, soundbites on the street. So plenty of views.

It was absolutely night and day watching him vs what we just saw with Biden. No comparison.

Reagan appeared so lucid and clear and focused. It was really something.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I watched the Lockerbie series about Pan Am 103 on CNN.

There a lot of clips of Reagan in ‘87-‘88. A time we know now that he was in early dementia.

Official statements, press conferences, speeches, ad lib gaggles, soundbites on the street. So plenty of views.

It was absolutely night and day watching him vs what we just saw with Biden. No comparison.

Reagan appeared so lucid and clear and focused. It was really something.
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He wasn't afflicted as much as Biden but he wasn't all there either. Like Biden he was managed for appearance.
 
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