Preston Williams test score flagged by NCAA

It's always been my understanding, right or wrong, that the way the standardized ACT test is designed, is that you can't make more than a 3 point or so jump from test to test and any deviation above this pretty much indicts the test taker as having achieved that score nefariously. Anybody able to shed some light on this??

Definitely not. I made a 24 my first time, then a 29 the second time I took it, and the latter is the one that was used when I applied for schools.

And I really hope PDub gets this worked out in time to get back on the field this year...even if he ends up redshirting, he needs to be getting as much practice in with his teammates as possible.
 
One of my good friends was flagged because he scored a 24 then we took a ACT Prep and his next test he got a 31. I wouldn't worry about it too much people. I'm sure Preston will knock it out and be on his way.
 
I mean, who's to say that he did not treat the first time he took it like a pre-ACT test? He could've been very clever about it and just went in to the first test taking without studying so that he could gauge how hard the test would be for his next official go-round.

If that's the case then he will have no problems repeating a similar score. That's why they want to make sure...so they can say without a doubt that's what happened. Of course there's also the opposite of that and that there was some sort of dishonesty...a third test will show that too.
 
I think the ace crew in Knoxville has been prepping him nonstop and will continue until the retest. He'll crush the last score and...they'll flag it again. :sad:
 
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The problem is how could he possibly get this done in time for the season? He'll miss all of fall camp.

We have 6 receivers with experience at this point.
 
I think the ace crew in Knoxville has been prepping him nonstop and will continue until the retest. He'll crush the last score and...they'll flag it again. :sad:

Evidently, anything and everything the "authorities" can do to cripple our wide receiver depth is fair game 😁
 
Back when I graduated high school...the SAT was a required test to pass and get into College. No way around it, so why in the world would he have to re-take it...unless someone has made a comment to the university that he "cheated" or his scores were altered back in high school.

Back in 1972, I only took the ACT to get in. Never saw the SAT. :hi:
 
It was a long time ago, but I improved by ACT score by 6 points from the first time to the second time. Can't remember the exact score jump; maybe 22 to 28. I didn't study either time, but had a lot more advanced math the second time I took it.

Guess if I were a 5-star football player, I would've gotten flagged.
 
I proctored SATs (by way of comparison) up until last year. The list of rules & procedures just for test day grew every year. They all sounded incredibly stupid--until you found out each was in response to actual incidents of cheating.

No bottled water allowed in the test room, even without a label--because some young deviant geniuses figured out a way to cheat using just a bottle of water! National testing is its own universe.

For fan comfort, odds are after his injury Preston focused more on studies. Taking a big test is, in itself, a test. After the first, nerve-wracking exam, if he approached it like an athlete and improved his test taking skills, then he could have improved a good bit. The worst thing about this scenario is the increased pressure on him to perform this time because so much is on the line.

But what if he did cheat somehow? Well, that's a major character issue, and it wouldn't stay confined to one little area of his life. Character defects are a time bomb I'd rather see defused or disposed of now rather than after he's become part of the game plan.

I guess it's like everything else we analyze and worry over in the off-season... just have to wait and see.
 
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Actually it's says the date to retake it will be SET in the next two weeks. That could mean the day he takes the test will be in September but that he will be scheduled to take that particular test within the next two weeks. I'd wait for someone to clarify that before jumping on someone.

Cool, you wait. And I'll go ahead and do what I feel like doing since Hubbs confirmed he is taking the test in the next 2 weeks. Maybe you and Bruin can trade numbers
 
I proctored SATs (by way of comparison) up until last year. The list of rules & procedures just for test day grew every year. They all sounded incredibly stupid--until you found out each was in response to actual incidents of cheating.

No bottled water allowed in the test room, even without a label--because some young deviant geniuses figured out a way to cheat using just a bottle of water! National testing is its own universe.

For fan comfort, odds are after his injury Preston focused more on studies. Taking a big test is, in itself, a test. After the first, nerve-wracking exam, if he approached it like an athlete and improved his test taking skills, then he could have improved a good bit. The worst thing about this scenario is the increased pressure on him to perform this time because so much is on the line.

But what if he did cheat somehow? Well, that's a major character issue, and it wouldn't stay confined to one little area of his life. Character defects are a time bomb I'd rather see defused or disposed of now rather than after he's become part of the game plan.

I guess it's like everything else we analyze and worry over in the off-season... just have to wait and see.

How the hell would one cheat on an ACT or SAT type test? I remembered they were monitored super closely. I'm pretty sure that everybody in the room gets a different test from everyone else because the question order is mixed up yet from the same question bank, if that makes sense.
 
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I proctored SATs (by way of comparison) up until last year. The list of rules & procedures just for test day grew every year. They all sounded incredibly stupid--until you found out each was in response to actual incidents of cheating.

No bottled water allowed in the test room, even without a label--because some young deviant geniuses figured out a way to cheat using just a bottle of water! National testing is its own universe.

For fan comfort, odds are after his injury Preston focused more on studies. Taking a big test is, in itself, a test. After the first, nerve-wracking exam, if he approached it like an athlete and improved his test taking skills, then he could have improved a good bit. The worst thing about this scenario is the increased pressure on him to perform this time because so much is on the line.

But what if he did cheat somehow? Well, that's a major character issue, and it wouldn't stay confined to one little area of his life. Character defects are a time bomb I'd rather see defused or disposed of now rather than after he's become part of the game plan.

I guess it's like everything else we analyze and worry over in the off-season... just have to wait and see.

Agree 100% with you on test taking skills. That's the area most discussed in my daughter's tutoring. Very little cramming of knowlege and more about testing strategy.
 
Cool, you wait. And I'll go ahead and do what I feel like doing since Hubbs confirmed he is taking the test in the next 2 weeks. Maybe you and Bruin can trade numbers

From the recruiting forum :

Originally Posted by Mullins2010:
Preston can retake it at the University whenever he is ready? Right
One would think so...but unfortunately according to Hubbs the timetable to take the test is not up to Williams or UT, the NCAA sets it.





What exactly did hubbs say??
 
It's hard to make a big jump if you did well the first time. If you made poor on the first one, then a big jump is not inconceivable. It is not uncommon for someone to half ass it the first time and do very poorly.
 
I proctored SATs (by way of comparison) up until last year. The list of rules & procedures just for test day grew every year. They all sounded incredibly stupid--until you found out each was in response to actual incidents of cheating.

No bottled water allowed in the test room, even without a label--because some young deviant geniuses figured out a way to cheat using just a bottle of water! National testing is its own universe.

For fan comfort, odds are after his injury Preston focused more on studies. Taking a big test is, in itself, a test. After the first, nerve-wracking exam, if he approached it like an athlete and improved his test taking skills, then he could have improved a good bit. The worst thing about this scenario is the increased pressure on him to perform this time because so much is on the line.

But what if he did cheat somehow? Well, that's a major character issue, and it wouldn't stay confined to one little area of his life. Character defects are a time bomb I'd rather see defused or disposed of now rather than after he's become part of the game plan.

I guess it's like everything else we analyze and worry over in the off-season... just have to wait and see.

Do the people with the ACT have the ability to audit a test taker's transcripts to see if their GPA and course work completed reconciles with their scores? I doubt they require a retest for everyone that has a 6 point jump in a 20 month period.
 
How the hell would one cheat on an ACT or SAT type test? I remembered they were monitored super closely. I'm pretty sure that everybody in the room gets a different test from everyone else because the question order is mixed up yet from the same question bank, if that makes sense.

Lot of different ways to cheat the system, especially if you have higher ups involved. College and pro ball is big business now and a lot of ppl want to get their hands on a good player early, or maybe they know his future is the NFL and tests aren't that important.

Bribery is a possibility, get a copy of the test questions before or make sure his answers are changed afterwards. Have someone take it for him with the teacher looking the other way. Have someone else taking the test put Pw's info in & PW puts that person's info in. Make a swap before turning it in. I mean there are a lot of ways this test has been cheated before, which is why the NCAA is investigating it
 
Unbelievable.

Flag his score now? One month before the season starts.
When did he take it the second time?
How long has the NCAA had that score before flagging it and informing UT?
I can't wait til the power five breaks away from NCAA.

Which 'Bammer alum is working for the NCAA??!
 
Also, I have never heard of people taking the ACT the way you described the second time, at least not as an official score. Every time I took it, it was in a high school in my county with multiple security guards and numerous teachers. They checked my ID and they asked for confirmation number among other security measures. It was quite extensive.

I know, it was bad. Pretty sure they require ID's, but they didnt check them when I was there. They did check our paper I think, and simply asked for names, but it would have been easy to simply go in if you had someone elses numbers/paper. We never had guards, never more than 1 teacher in the room.
 
I agree. Maybe he slept through and didn't put any effort or time towards his first test. Then he realized he would have to try a little harder to get the score he needed. Thus the improvement. But it just doesn't seem like something that could be faked.

Hopefully his retake proves it. It would be a lot more pressure to take it a second time. He would have less study time. He would be in a room by himself with all eyes on him. I don't like the rule.

This is definitely possible. My daughter's took their ACTa few months ago and this happened. We forgot about the test until the morning of. Someone remembered and they jumped out of bed at 6:30 on a weekend with a few hours sleep and rushed in with no breakfast. Scores were pathetic. They will show much higher on a retake. Teenagers can create a lot of surrounding circumstances. That's one theory.

The other theory is that Butch screwed this up by having Dobbs take the test for him the 2nd time. Geeesh! Gotta use somebody dumber than that. 16-34 is a bit of a jump!
 

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