Proof of the Collapse of the Republic

#126
#126
CSpindizzy said:
LOL....false claim. Before I even said topic you claimed you made positive comments about illegals. So technically until you show otherwise, 'false claim' is more your title. I find it funny how the whole defense you can come up with is something long after you made your initial claim. So if you want to talk about 5-10 posts, let's go back to your original claim far before mine. Where's your backup? I'm not sure how you get going in circles from a meager asking of proof of your claim. Back and forth is not circles...perhaps Toys R Us sells something that teaches shapes.

As I've said to you before....moving on. Trying to get claims from you that are backed up are pointless.
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Ha ha, you claimed I said only negative things in regards to this topic. Burden on you, again for the umptenth time, but ignore as you always do. This toy sucks.
 
#127
#127
allvol123 said:
Ha ha, you claimed I said only negative things in regards to this topic. Burden on you, again for the umptenth time, but ignore as you always do. This toy sucks.
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It's truly amazing. I say move on but yet you keep harping on your initial claim backed up with nothing. Again, repeating myself and trying to drop down a few grade levels for understanding....I didn't say "topic" until way down the line of discussion. No matter how many times you keep this as your only defense to your argument it just doesn't work. Keep trying. Perhaps going back and rereading the posts will refresh your memory on claiming something you've yet to prove.

I will try again to say move on but know I'm wasting my breath on someone fascinated with circles and toys from a toy store.
 
#128
#128
CSpindizzy said:
It's truly amazing. I say move on but yet you keep harping on your initial claim backed up with nothing. Again, repeating myself and trying to drop down a few grade levels for understanding....I didn't say "topic" until way down the line of discussion. No matter how many times you keep this as your only defense to your argument it just doesn't work. Keep trying. Perhaps going back and rereading the posts will refresh your memory on claiming something you've yet to prove.

I will try again to say move on but know I'm wasting my breath on someone fascinated with circles and toys from a toy store.
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So you think "move on" followed up with claiming I am not providing adequate info is really a "move on" statement. You are delusional. You are stuck on timing of your entry of "topic" into the conversation not me. As I said you make some stupid claim using the term "never" and then try to play "never" off as only referring to my previous 5-10 posts. You are stuck in your stupid argument. Not fascinated with toys, just figured to help you out I would bring up something you might could grasp.
 
#132
#132
emainvol said:
Where did you come up with 15 gallons and 12,000,000 illegal drivers?
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Well lets see here....

If you have at least 12,000,000 vehicles purchased from the little Mexican dealerships and all the work trucks and cars from dealerships, that's where I get the number. Even if you lower it to 8-10 million then the numbers are still staggering.
 
#133
#133
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Well lets see here....

If you have at least 12,000,000 vehicles purchased from the little Mexican dealerships and all the work trucks and cars from dealerships, that's where I get the number. Even if you lower it to 8-10 million then the numbers are still staggering.
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that's the problem, you don't have any kind of concrete evidence to back up any of the numbers. in order to maintain a proper argument for illegal immigrants effect on gas prices, you need those.
 
#134
#134
emainvol said:
that's the problem, you don't have any kind of concrete evidence to back up any of the numbers. in order to maintain a proper argument for illegal immigrants effect on gas prices, you need those.
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Illegal Immigration

Number of Illegal Immigrants Hits 12M

Federation for American Immigration Reform: How Many Illegal Aliens?

StateMaster - Statistics > Estimated number of Illegal Immigrants by state

Pew Hispanic Center Report: Size and Characteristics of the Unauthorized Migrant Population in the U.S.

15,000,000 Estimated Illegal Aliens in the US - That Figure is a Conservative One - Associated Content

There you go. Some of the links are based off of old data, so you can add at least 300,000 to 500,000 each year based on current estimates.
 
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#136
#136
emainvol said:
Great, now prove to me how many drive and/or own vehicles and use 15 gallons of gas a week.
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Ok. Lets say that 1 in 3 illegal immigrants have vehicles. That's a safe number I would say (even though I believe it to be higher). So that's 4 million vehicles on the road that wouldn't be on the road if they weren't here. Now, for the average American drives about 250 miles per week which makes us fill up at least once a week. Most cars have between a 14-16 gallon tank, SUVs have bigger tanks that hold between 25-30 gallons of gas. I will use the car average here just for the equation.

So you have 4 million vehicles driven by illegal immigrants, a car that holds 15 gallons of gas, and a fill up once a week.

4,000,000 x 15 = 60,000,000

Now you have to multiply that by 52 weeks to make a year..

60,000,000 x 52 = 3,120,000,000 gallons of gas per year!!

You want to argue the numbers that's fine, but keep in mind that more than likely these numbers are lower than what they should be. If you don't think 3.2 Trillion gallons of gas per year is crazy, then you don't get out much.
 
#139
#139
The Chinese are not using precious American gas either, yet the demand they are placing on the market is one of the major factors of the price increase for crude oil.
 
#140
#140
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok. Lets say that 1 in 3 illegal immigrants have vehicles. That's a safe number I would say (even though I believe it to be higher). So that's 4 million vehicles on the road that wouldn't be on the road if they weren't here. Now, for the average American drives about 250 miles per week which makes us fill up at least once a week. Most cars have between a 14-16 gallon tank, SUVs have bigger tanks that hold between 25-30 gallons of gas. I will use the car average here just for the equation.

So you have 4 million vehicles driven by illegal immigrants, a car that holds 15 gallons of gas, and a fill up once a week.

4,000,000 x 15 = 60,000,000

Now you have to multiply that by 52 weeks to make a year..

60,000,000 x 52 = 3,120,000,000 gallons of gas per year!!

You want to argue the numbers that's fine, but keep in mind that more than likely these numbers are lower than what they should be. If you don't think 3.2 Trillion gallons of gas per year is crazy, then you don't get out much.
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i just want you to realize that you have no idea what the number's really are or their actual effect on the gas prices in this country.
 
#143
#143
And if those numbers are correct and they were all forced to cease driving, do you realize how much tax revenue states and the Federal government lose? Where does the government make up for that shortfall? We've got highways being built and paved constantly. Fuel taxes go toward that. Take a huge chunk of that away and the money either comes from other areas, tax increases, or roads just stop where they last had funding for.
 
#146
#146
MG1968 said:
so they just sprang out of the ground and started building adobe houses and stringing beads together?
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Yeah. That's how people originated in Australia, New Zealand, and the Pacific Islands as well. No land bridge so they sprang up out of the ground.
 
#148
#148
That there are other ways than a land bridge to get to a destination. If someone says a bridge was never proven do you automatically assume there is no other way to get there except spring up from the ground?
 
#149
#149
The reason gas prices are so high is that we are wealthy enough to pay them. If we hit a recession the price will go back down under $2.00 a gallon.
 
#150
#150
CSpindizzy said:
That there are other ways than a land bridge to get to a destination.
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well, duh.

If someone says a bridge was never proven do you automatically assume there is no other way to get there except spring up from the ground?
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did I say that I did? did the response to my first post offer some other means? no, only that the land bridge theory had never been proven.
 
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