Proof of the Collapse of the Republic

#76
#76
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yes I have ran a red light, but that doesn't make it right. I am a Citizen of the United States though and I have the right because I am here legally to break those laws if I choose to. Since you drink the "everybody is equal" kool-aid and think our constitution applies to everyone in the world then you are a lost soul and our country's soverignty is at stake here. If you have NO pride in our way of life that's fine, but don't bitch when you have a bunch of people who don't want to be Americans living in your town and you have to speak a different language just to do business with them. Shoot some of our schools are requiring students to learn both English and Spanish. That right there scares the crap outta me.
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I am absolutely speechless. My brain nearly exploded when I read this line.
 
#79
#79
justingroves said:
It was a joke. Considering you're the one wanting to put laws on a free market I figured you might lean that way :good!:
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I don't want to put limits on the free market. I just want people to obey the laws.

I'm slightly libertarian, but I'm not an anarchist. Anyone that is willing to overlook Federal law and allow these people to work or allow employers to hire them is a nihilist and an anarchist.
 
#80
#80
emainvol said:
I am absolutely speechless. My brain nearly exploded when I read this line.
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What are you speechless about?? I could break the laws if I wanted to and then something would happen to me like I get a ticket or if its something worse I could goto jail. MOST of the cops aren't even ALLOWED to check the immigration status of those who might be "illegal" so most of the time they let them go if its not a felony. Like I said, I could break those laws IF I wanted to, but I choose to obey the law for the majority of the time. Its funny though, and granted its another thread, but what would happen to gas prices if the 12-20 million illegal immigrants were to stop driving??? Think about how much gas they use. Multiply 15 gallons on a typical fill-up by 12-20 million per week, then multiply that by 52. 9,360,000,000 gallons of gas would be your answer for 12 million. That's STAGGERING.

therealUT

I do not even know how to respond to your right to legally break laws. If you have read my ultra-libertarian posts, then you should be aware that you are way out on the fringe when I will even look at your post in the following way: :crazy:.

As to the requirement to learn Spanish. It scares the crap out of me that furthering the education of someone scares the crap "outta" you. Look at Europe. Right now French students grow up speaking their mother tongue, then they learn German and English when they start their primary education. God forbid that we Americans actually teach our children the language of a bordering nation.
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Maybe instead of Spanish, they could learn some American History or better Math or Science or even better MORE ENGLISH. My child doesn't need to know Spanish, she needs to know how to make smart decisions not how to say "more hot sauce please" in Spanish. We need to teach our children more about this country and leave the electives to what choice they want in class.
 
#82
#82
g8terh8ter_eric said:
What are you speechless about?? I could break the laws if I wanted to and then something would happen to me like I get a ticket or if its something worse I could goto jail. MOST of the cops aren't even ALLOWED to check the immigration status of those who might be "illegal" so most of the time they let them go if its not a felony. Like I said, I could break those laws IF I wanted to, but I choose to obey the law for the majority of the time. Its funny though, and granted its another thread, but what would happen to gas prices if the 12-20 million illegal immigrants were to stop driving??? Think about how much gas they use. Multiply 15 gallons on a typical fill-up by 12-20 million per week, then multiply that by 52. 9,360,000,000 gallons of gas would be your answer for 12 million. That's STAGGERING.

Maybe instead of Spanish, they could learn some American History or better Math or Science or even better MORE ENGLISH. My child doesn't need to know Spanish, she needs to know how to make smart decisions not how to say "more hot sauce please" in Spanish. We need to teach our children more about this country and leave the electives to what choice they want in class.
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In the end of your first paragraph, you are reaching in a major way, and I would love to see some real statistics concerning your math, as I think it may be a little off.

As for your second, the learning of another language can benefit someone immensely in careers later in life. I don't see how learning Spanish, or any other language, could be a bad thing.
 
#83
#83
I hung a bird feeder on my back porch and filled it with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbeque.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table; everywhere.

Then some of the birds turned mean:

They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone.

I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now lets see...our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be a automatic citizen.

Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.
 
#84
#84
God forbid the most culturally diverse country in the world would embrace other cultures or languages.
 
#85
#85
and if you want to talk taxes, maybe we shouldn't start trillion dollar wars and our taxes wouldn't go up.
 
#86
#86
vol_in_ar said:
and people waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.
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and lastly, people wave the confederate flag. and this is a free country, why shouldn't people be allowed rights and liberties? maybe a dictatorship would be better?
 
#87
#87
emainvol said:
And this is not nihilism. Nihilism is the idea that world and our very existence is without a purpose, boasting of reconquering the southwest is a purpose. Here is the flaw with your statement though, you use the general pronoun "they." Does "they" in this case mean "all of the illegals?" If it does, then this becomes a completely outrageous claim. Please back it up.
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Or it could mean destroying something that is good and virtuous just for the sake of destroying it because it is "good and virtuous". Not claiming that America is perfect and is without flaws, but some of these leftists and illegals would love nothing more than to destroy this country for no other reason than to bring everyone down to the same lowest denominator. That is also a form of nihilism.

But anyways, I blame the people that hire these illegals just as much as I do the ones that are crossing. We need to lock up a few of these guys that hire these illegals and we need to truely enforce our border laws and defend our border.

We wouldn't want any Al-Qaeda to sneak in with Gorge, Jesus or Juan...
 
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#91
#91
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Defense spending is nothing compared to entitlement spending...

See page 83 for pie graph of 2005 "Outlays"
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf

About 24% of total spending vs 37% for SS and Medicare and 20% for social programs...

Compare with 1999 Outlays on page 23
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf
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Interesting. You seem to forget that these workers never claim any social security benefits, they simply pay in to the system. Also, there was a study referenced by the Denver newspaper in November, in which it shows that the illegals use decidedly less of our social programs, per capita, than do Americans...and the illegals pay in, which again Americans on welfare do not!
 
#92
#92
therealUT said:
Interesting. You seem to forget that these workers never claim any social security benefits, they simply pay in to the system.
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emain was complaining about spending and how spending on a war would ease some of the pressure from taxes. I was mainly responding to his post and not directly or indirectly saying anything about illegals.
 
#93
#93
Emain is not in this thread, has never been in this thread, and will never be in this thread.
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#94
#94
emainvol said:
God forbid the most culturally diverse country in the world would embrace other cultures or languages.
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What does that have to do with illegal immigration? You're saying we don't do this unless illegal immigration occurs?
 
#95
#95
emainvol said:
In the end of your first paragraph, you are reaching in a major way, and I would love to see some real statistics concerning your math, as I think it may be a little off.

As for your second, the learning of another language can benefit someone immensely in careers later in life. I don't see how learning Spanish, or any other language, could be a bad thing.
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15 x 12,000,000 x 52. That's the problem right there. Shoot if you wanted to you can plug-in the price for a gallon of gas and see how much money that is.

As far as another language, it should be something we CHOOSE to do. Why does my child need to know Spanish at 8 years old, when statistics show our children can't even match up with other countries on the BASIC levels on other subjects?? Again, the argument is being forced to learn something opposed to choosing to learn something.
 
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#96
#97
#97
g8terh8ter_eric said:
What are you speechless about?? I could break the laws if I wanted to and then something would happen to me like I get a ticket or if its something worse I could goto jail. MOST of the cops aren't even ALLOWED to check the immigration status of those who might be "illegal" so most of the time they let them go if its not a felony. Like I said, I could break those laws IF I wanted to, but I choose to obey the law for the majority of the time. Its funny though, and granted its another thread, but what would happen to gas prices if the 12-20 million illegal immigrants were to stop driving??? Think about how much gas they use. Multiply 15 gallons on a typical fill-up by 12-20 million per week, then multiply that by 52. 9,360,000,000 gallons of gas would be your answer for 12 million. That's STAGGERING.
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If this math is correct, think of all of the tax revenue we would be denied. They pay the same tax as you and I. So taxes would have to be increased to compensate for that loss. We can thank that contribution to helping build more roads.

Also note that these illegals carpool. Maybe we should take that as a good model as well. I typically see one car and quite a few passengers. Many more actually walk or ride bikes. So not all 12 million or whatever the number of the day is are using gas.
 
#98
#98
CSpindizzy said:
Also note that these illegals carpool. Maybe we should take that as a good model as well. I typically see one car and quite a few passengers. Many more actually walk or ride bikes. So not all 12 million or whatever the number of the day is are using gas.
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Well why don't we just go ahead and merge with Mexico and become Amexico. I mean all of these great things that non-Americans have to offer and no negatives. What is the point of having borders?
 
#100
#100
You're killing me. I love how you just take one sentence and run with it to the extreme. I'll flip this for you. All you do is voice all of the negatives and nothing positive. So flipping this around, perhaps we should just wall up the entire country and not allow anyone in?
 
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