Pruitt wouldnt survive a 1-7 record.

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m1al said:
I’m in. My apologies to hog88 and anyone else I got pissy with last night. Bad day.

GO VOLS! Whip that arse.
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Bad days must be in the water lately lol.. we all been kind of touchy lately IMO.. Lets go boys, whip them lizards!
 
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Vfl2407 said:
I only know one “connected” person in Knoxville.
He told me that if we lose the next 5, that the money people would pony up the buyout.
We have never started 1-7. That would be too big an embarrassment for our big donors.
Fulmer would be interim and they would go after a “proven power 5 winner”. (I laughed when he said that but he says you don’t know how angry Georgia State made them).

So, can we win one of these next 5:
At Florida
Georgia (after a bye week)
MSU
At Bama
USC

Pruitt has to just win one of those games and then get 2 more out of UAB, UK, MU, Vandy.
But, one of those two wins must be Vandy.
Our donors could, I’m told, live with 4-8 and 2 SEC wins if we don’t finish last in the East and Pruitt can hang onto Bailey and a decent 25-30 ranked recruiting class.

If we can somehow win tomorrow, the only sure losses left are UGA and Bama.
But, if we get our clocks cleaned by UF, we may just fall apart.

*** Many grains of salt needed, of course. This is just one guy. But, he’s not a liar and he’s a wealthy blue blood and travels in circles that I could never get anywhere.near.
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hog88 said:
True, Pruitt and company should have developed the talent they have. They didn’t so they own it.
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The problem with inheriting players is getting them to buy into new habits and new coaching. It's why everyone always says you have to let coaches get in their own players. Personally, I think Pruitt and company have done okay with the players they've brought in. I think we really see how good this staff is at developing players next year. But that's JMO.
 
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Weezer said:
The problem with inheriting players is getting them to buy into new habits and new coaching. It's why everyone always says you have to let coaches get in their own players. Personally, I think Pruitt and company have done okay with the players they've brought in. I think we really see how good this staff is at developing players next year. But that's JMO.
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The people that say coaches have to get their own players before they can be held accountable are just making excuses.
 
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hog88 said:
The people that say coaches have to get their own players before they can be held accountable are just making excuses.
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That's one opinion. People who don't understand the inherent problems of inheriting players you didn't recruit are unreasonable. Crazy how opinions work.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Wow, I think you single handedly defined what's wrong with some fans, you are actually detached from reality and would say or do anything to keep your justification for living in a negative world......you need help my friend.
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Judging a coach by the product that he puts on the field, rather than a whimsical hope that he will one day in the future learn to be a better coach, and field a better team, is being "detached from reality"?
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BeardedVol said:
Judging a coach by the product that he puts on the field, rather than a whimsical hope that he will one day in the future learn to be a better coach, and field a better team, is being "detached from reality"?
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Thinking we're magically going to find the right coach after the last few coaching searches is detached from reality.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
I only know one “connected” person in Knoxville.
He told me that if we lose the next 5, that the money people would pony up the buyout.
We have never started 1-7. That would be too big an embarrassment for our big donors.
Fulmer would be interim and they would go after a “proven power 5 winner”. (I laughed when he said that but he says you don’t know how angry Georgia State made them).

So, can we win one of these next 5:
At Florida
Georgia (after a bye week)
MSU
At Bama
USC

Pruitt has to just win one of those games and then get 2 more out of UAB, UK, MU, Vandy.
But, one of those two wins must be Vandy.
Our donors could, I’m told, live with 4-8 and 2 SEC wins if we don’t finish last in the East and Pruitt can hang onto Bailey and a decent 25-30 ranked recruiting class.

If we can somehow win tomorrow, the only sure losses left are UGA and Bama.
But, if we get our clocks cleaned by UF, we may just fall apart.

*** Many grains of salt needed, of course. This is just one guy. But, he’s not a liar and he’s a wealthy blue blood and travels in circles that I could never get anywhere.near.
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2 winnable games, in there. MSU @home, and USC @ home. That puts us at 3-4, and Pruitt is "safe", depending on how much they improve, and the outcome of the rest of the season. Beat USC and MSU, and find a way to win 2-3 of the remaining four games (Missouri, UAB, Vandy, UK). It isn't impossible, if we continue to improve, and the game slows down enough for the young guys.
But, I agree, if CJP goes 1-7, he's done. At that point, I think even he would see the writing on the wall.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Pruitt wasn't the only option last search, and there will be quality options in the next one as well.
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Doubtful unless we can convince donors to shell out money for all the buyouts AND top dollar for the next coach. Hard for me to believe they're going to start doing that now.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Pruitt wasn't the only option last search, and there will be quality options in the next one as well.
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Except this time they need to put their full trust in Phillip Fulmer, and give him the authority to get it done. Chaney or Tee as interim, and turn Phil loose to find our man.
 
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JACK8254 said:
we have to give pruitt his 3 years. We cant keep hiring a new coach every 2 years- thats how we got here in the first place. Hold yr nose and give the man his 3 years . He has assembled a good recruiting staff and if we get enough good players the wins will come. Build it and they will come!
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What UT coach has only been given 2 years? The closest was Dooley who unsuccessfully tried to get his buyout after year 2 but Hamilton snubbed him to make him coach a third year.
The way we got here is because we fired a lackadaisical coach in 2008 and he going to the media claiming that we are an impatient program and treated him unfairly. In the mean time other SEC programs were hiring coaches named Meyer, Spurrier, and Saban, whom our lackadaisical coach could not compete with.
The identity of the program then suffered with the hire of a renegade who raped NCAA rules and left us with probation at 11pm late in the recruiting season.
Then an incompetent administration and major booster group went into panic mode with years of bad decisions.
The latest coaching search and AD transition fiasco further enhanced the comical status of UT athletics. That led to the hiring of a coach with no head coaching experience and our current failures.
Not really sure that anything will change around here for the next two to three years unless something dramatic occurs.
 
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Weezer said:
Fulmer hired Pruitt. He had their trust and full support in that.
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He hired Pruitt in the middle of a media dumpster fire, to stabilize the program, and to get recruiting on track. He will not be hurried, nearly so much, this time around, should that wind up being the case. I don't think for even one second that Fulmer truly believed that Pruitt was the best overall option, but he had to fill the void, and get moving.
Do you really think that PF believed that JP was a better option that Mike Gundy, Mike Leach, Lane Kiffin, or even Les Miles?
 
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onevol74 said:
What UT coach has only been given 2 years? The closest was Dooley who unsuccessfully tried to get his buyout after year 2 but Hamilton snubbed him to make him coach a third year.
The way we got here is because we fired a lackadaisical coach in 2008 and he going to the media claiming that we are an impatient program and treated him unfairly. In the mean time other SEC programs were hiring coaches named Meyer, Spurrier, and Saban, whom our lackadaisical coach could not compete with.
The identity of the program then suffered with the hire of a renegade who raped NCAA rules and left us with probation at 11pm late in the recruiting season.
Then an incompetent administration and major booster group went into panic mode with years of bad decisions.
The latest coaching search and AD transition fiasco further enhanced the comical status of UT athletics. That led to the hiring of a coach with no head coaching experience and our current failures.
Not really sure that anything will change around here for the next two to three years unless something dramatic occurs.
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The mystery to me is how anyone looks at this history and thinks this time we get it right. Really? We couldn't attract higher quality coaches in the last three searches, yet somehow, now, when we're in even worse shape, both program wise and financially, it's going to be different?
 
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kbear01 said:
Except this time they need to put their full trust in Phillip Fulmer, and give him the authority to get it done. Chaney or Tee as interim, and turn Phil loose to find our man.
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Uh, Phil found the problem we have. It appears that he may be just as incompetent in hiring head coaches as he was in hiring assistants. That is with the exception of David Cutcliff. Why do you think that a huge portion of VN have zero confidence in UT hiring a successful coach if were to make a change?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Pruitt wasn't the only option last search, and there will be quality options in the next one as well.
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Agreed, but will there be competent people conducting the search and second, will there be a real desire to win again? Both of those elements were sorely lacking the last go round.
 
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kbear01 said:
He hired Pruitt in the middle of a media dumpster fire, to stabilize the program, and to get recruiting on track. He will not be hurried, nearly so much, this time around, should that wind up being the case. I don't think for even one second that Fulmer truly believed that Pruitt was the best overall option, but he had to fill the void, and get moving.
Do you really think that PF believed that JP was a better option that Mike Gundy, Mike Leach, Lane Kiffin, or even Les Miles?
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Gundy wasn't an option, and yes, I absolutely believe Fulmer thought Pruitt was a better choice than the other three. Fulmer could very easily have interviewed Miles. He did not. And he would never hire Leach, nor re-hire Kiffin. He detests Kiffin for how he handled the first go around.
 
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Weezer said:
The mystery to me is how anyone looks at this history and thinks this time we get it right. Really? We couldn't attract higher quality coaches in the last three searches, yet somehow, now, when we're in even worse shape, both program wise and financially, it's going to be different?
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We low-balled Dan Mullen, and Florida ponied up the cash and got him. We had Mike Leach, but Fulmer torpedoed hiring him. Pretending that Pruitt was the only option, and that for some reason we have some sort of coaching pay cap at $4 million/year, is just an excuse to go cheap. UT AD has had the benefit of a decade of fan good will, still coming to games, still buying merch, and now that good will is exhausted. Pruitt was a risk at the very best, and at the moment, it's looking like he was a poor choice.

Game attendance is dropping, there's no national interest in the team except to make fun of us, and there's an entire generation of kids who've grown to adults and never known Tennessee as more than a footnote in the schedules of Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. You are right, if we are just going to go cheap again, then let's just keep Pruitt and at least we can avoid another coaching search and have something to laugh about, but let's just stop pretending that there's any pretense of returning UT to a position of success in college football if bargain-basement coaches is the route we've settled on.
 
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onevol74 said:
Uh, Phil found the problem we have. It appears that he may be just as incompetent in hiring head coaches as he was in hiring assistants. That is with the exception of David Cutcliff. Why do you think that a huge portion of VN have zero confidence in UT hiring a successful coach if were to make a change?
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And how long between PF's hiring until JP's hiring? Why? To shut the media dumpster fire down, that was completely eroding any of the program's leftover credibility. In first responder's terms, he made an attempt to stop the immediate source of the bleeding. The larger internal problem must now be dealt with.
The other options are:
Fire JP and Fulmer, which puts the coaching and AD search in the hands of the administration.
Fire JP and move Fulmer to interim, which put the coaching search in the hands of the administration.
Fire JP, and move Chaney or Tee to interim, and give Fulmer time to get our man. I am sure that he has already used his connections to reach out to some on his list.
Do nothing, and trust the process to eventually work.
 
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