QB competition..

[WoodsmanVol]

He didn't run a dual qb team at Cincy . The number two qb never played outside of mop-up duty unless the starter was hurt . People look at stats and assume both qb's played regularly but that wasn't the case at all.
Butch's first year the backup threw 4 passes the first 6 games , 41 the next two when Collaros was hurt and none the next 4 games
His second year Legaux threw 7 passes the first eight games all in mop-up duty in big wins over Austin Peay and Akron and didn't play anymore until Collaros went down .
In his last season at Cincy, Kay threw 2 passes the first 7 games and didn't play till Munchie went down in the eighth game for the rest of the year .
Butch was a solid one qb coach while at Cincy and Central Michigan .

I'll buy that because i was going by games I had watched and saw more than one QB play. Didn't look at stats so will take your word for it.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

He didn't run a dual qb team at Cincy . The number two qb never played outside of mop-up duty unless the starter was hurt . People look at stats and assume both qb's played regularly but that wasn't the case at all.
Butch's first year the backup threw 4 passes the first 6 games , 41 the next two when Collaros was hurt and none the next 4 games
His second year Legaux threw 7 passes the first eight games all in mop-up duty in big wins over Austin Peay and Akron and didn't play anymore until Collaros went down .
In his last season at Cincy, Kay threw 2 passes the first 7 games and didn't play till Munchie went down in the eighth game for the rest of the year .
Butch was a solid one qb coach while at Cincy and Central Michigan .[/QUOTE

Solid post.]

Coolest thing is, he corrected a misguided perception without being uppity, snide, and exhibiting a superior complex. We could all learn from him, eh?

 

[Give_All_Vol]

He didn't run a dual qb team at Cincy . The number two qb never played outside of mop-up duty unless the starter was hurt . People look at stats and assume both qb's played regularly but that wasn't the case at all.
Butch's first year the backup threw 4 passes the first 6 games , 41 the next two when Collaros was hurt and none the next 4 games
His second year Legaux threw 7 passes the first eight games all in mop-up duty in big wins over Austin Peay and Akron and didn't play anymore until Collaros went down .
In his last season at Cincy, Kay threw 2 passes the first 7 games and didn't play till Munchie went down in the eighth game for the rest of the year .
Butch was a solid one qb coach while at Cincy and Central Michigan .

Jeez! Do QB injuries follow Butch around or something? That sounds like last year was his 4th straight year with a QB going down for at least two games

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Jeez! Do QB injuries follow Butch around or something? That sounds like last year was his 4th straight year with a QB going down for at least two games

--QBs are high profile targets. The underlying aim of a defense is to neutralize them, legally of course and illegally if you can get away with it.

--At UT, it's interesting that Bray, Worley, and Peterman all incurred thumb injuries while throwing the ball. Butch never coached Bray so UT QB injury isn't unique to Butch.

--Very likely, if a serious look at 2010-2013 QB injuries throughout CFB, it may show a higher number of QBs hurt than other positions except maybe RB and WR. Which are also high priority targets of a defense. It ain't Butch, it's the game.

SPECULATION: It has long been my belief that the nutrition habits of today's kids is detrimental their tendons, bones, and strength development. And that enormous consumption of carbonated drinks are major contributing factor. Plus exclusions of certain vegetable intakes. So we're seeing frequencies and types of injuries we hardly ever heard of in past eras. That basketball kid last year who shattered his leg chasing a loose ball. Bone poking out if the flesh.
Same thing with several tennis players. Sheer frequencies of ACLs these days. The QB injuries we've seen at UT thusfar aren't all that drastic. Hand in forward motion meets helmet of an on-rushing defensive player equals hand injury. But the other stuff knocking out players is different. FB, BB, tennis, etc players just don't have the ruggedness of players of past eras. Even the Pentagon is mentioning this regarding their recruits for service.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Josh Dobbs will be the starting quarterback! Take it to the bank! Why? Because he is the proven dual threat quarterback with game experience thrust into a starting role as a true freshman. Add to that the analytical mind applied on the football field and it is a no brainer. The dual threat quarterback killed Tennessee in several games last year. They don't intend to go into another season with one hand tied behind their back! Butch's offense needs that threat. I know Worley and Peterman do not add that capability. Ferguson has yet to receive a snap in a real game.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

Josh Dobbs will be the starting quarterback! Take it to the bank! Why? Because he is the proven dual threat quarterback with game experience thrust into a starting role as a true freshman. Add to that the analytical mind applied on the football field and it is a no brainer. The dual threat quarterback killed Tennessee in several games last year. They don't intend to go into another season with one hand tied behind their back! Butch's offense needs that threat. I know Worley and Peterman do not add that capability. Ferguson has yet to receive a snap in a real game.

Which could just as easily be the reasoning for why he might be the starter. No one really knows anything about him so its kind of pointless to make bold predictions now. I'm pulling for Dobbs too actually but I can't honestly say that Ferg will be any better or worse than anyone else.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I forget who it was, but someone done a study, and most QB don't change much from freshman to Sr. What you get is what you get. I'm not saying they dont improve, but most don't improve significant.

I forget who it was, but someone once done a study that the moon landing was a hoax.


True story, they actually done the study. Also, true story, I don't remember who done that one.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

I forget who it was, but someone once done a study that the moon landing was a hoax.


True story, they actually done the study. Also, true story, I don't remember who done that one.

I hear ol Stanley Kubrick done staged dim moon landins with his smoke screeny camera tricks and whatnot

 

[Orange_Crush]

I hear ol Stanley Kubrick done staged dim moon landins with his smoke screeny camera tricks and whatnot

I watched a documentary that said the true, underlying, meaning of "The Shining" was actually that QBs don't get better from freshman to senior seasons. Think about it. There is no character arc for ol' "Johnny". His character actually degrades from the beginning of the movie to the end.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

I watched a documentary that said the true, underlying, meaning of "The Shining" was actually that QBs don't get better from freshman to senior seasons. Think about it. There is no character arc for ol' "Johnny". His character actually degrades from the beginning of the movie to the end.

Bahahaha good on ya sir

 

[KBVol]

I support whoever wins the dang thing...vast majority will afterwards...until the first bounced pass and/or interception...alls we do on here is fun...our votes don't count.

Well said Butch. I don't have "a guy" at QB..... I'll defer to Butch and Jake. I have no doubt whatsoever that we'll get better QB play this year. Another year in the system and a ton more playmakers in Hurd, Malone, Pearson, Helm and Wolf....also hearing that Young and Croom are having great Springs....this alone will improve our QB play exponentially.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Josh Dobbs will be the starting quarterback! Take it to the bank! Why? Because he is the proven dual threat quarterback with game experience thrust into a starting role as a true freshman. Add to that the analytical mind applied on the football field and it is a no brainer. The dual threat quarterback killed Tennessee in several games last year. They don't intend to go into another season with one hand tied behind their back! Butch's offense needs that threat. I know Worley and Peterman do not add that capability. Ferguson has yet to receive a snap in a real game.

Actually, Peterman is very mobile. We just haven't been treated to seeing it in games yet. I'm all Dobbs but give credit where it's due.

 

[VolAllen]

Actually, Peterman is very mobile. We just haven't been treated to seeing it in games yet. I'm all Dobbs but give credit where it's due.

Judging by the ONE half we've seen of Peterman, it's tough to say that any credit is "due".

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Judging by the ONE half we've seen of Peterman, it's tough to say that any credit is "due".

Perhaps. Look at his highlight film from high school. Plus he was recruited as a dual threat by DD and CBJ. The one game we saw him in, he was a first time frosh facing a terror DL in Florida. However, if you're going to play the he's not mobile game, you have to apply the same "DUE" logic you venture. It hasn't been proven he's not mobile so until it is, one should beat him on the head with the claim.

 

[VolAllen]

Perhaps. Look at his highlight film from high school. Plus he was recruited as a dual threat by DD and CBJ. The one game we saw him in, he was a first time frosh facing a terror DL in Florida. However, if you're going to play the he's not mobile game, you have to apply the same "DUE" logic you venture. It hasn't been proven he's not mobile so until it is, one should beat him on the head with the claim.

I really have no "fair" assessment of Peterman. I don't think anyone does. I'm not sure how he's not absolutely STARVING for another opportunity to prove himself, after basically ruining his reputation after just 30 minutes of football. So it concerns me that he hasn't excelled enough at least in practice to show the coaches that he's ready. I just have a feeling we won't see him on the field again. Which is unfortunate, because he could be great with time and experience.

 

[tntar heel]

"Yeah, it's slowing down a lot. Learning the playbook's the main thing. And that's what I feel like I have a really good grasp on now," said the Vols' redshirt freshman quarterback following Saturday's damp scrimmage inside Neyland Stadium. "Learning defenses, because there's a checklist we have to go through within that first 10 seconds and it's a lot of things to go through. So we just have to keep practicing them and that's the main thing we've been working on in practice and things like that.
-VQ

 

[tntar heel]

Jones on RF - "Yeah, one of Riley's intangibles or one of Riley's strengths is the ability to create plays when there's nothing there," Jones said. "Now the thing he has to learn is to avoid the catastrophic plays, and that was a great teach point like we just spoke about earlier. He does, one of his strengths is the ability to create plays when there's nothing there."
-VQ

 

[davethevol]

Jones on RF - "Yeah, one of Riley's intangibles or one of Riley's strengths is the ability to create plays when there's nothing there," Jones said. "Now the thing he has to learn is to avoid the catastrophic plays, and that was a great teach point like we just spoke about earlier. He does, one of his strengths is the ability to create plays when there's nothing there."
-VQ

Sounds like he has a major upside as a playmaker with a gunslinger attitude.

 

[24/7vol]

JMO..I think that CBJ sees RF as a mustang that needs to be broken just enough to ride but still allow it to maintain it's spirit. There's probably not a throw that RF doesn't think that he can make. All the QB's have their strengths and CBJ will sort it out.

 

[tntar heel]

Sounds like he has a major upside as a playmaker with a gunslinger attitude.

Down side of gunslinger attitude. Just to be fair.

That 'catastrophic' play was an interception that Ferguson threw into double-, perhaps triple-coverage in an overtime situation on Saturday. The 6-foot-3, 189-pounder said he "definitely" would not repeat that mistake. And it's that component of his game in which Ferguson has felt he's most evolved.
- VQ

 

[Volosaurus rex]

He didn't run a dual qb team at Cincy . The number two qb never played outside of mop-up duty unless the starter was hurt . People look at stats and assume both qb's played regularly but that wasn't the case at all.
Butch's first year the backup threw 4 passes the first 6 games , 41 the next two when Collaros was hurt and none the next 4 games
His second year Legaux threw 7 passes the first eight games all in mop-up duty in big wins over Austin Peay and Akron and didn't play anymore until Collaros went down .
In his last season at Cincy, Kay threw 2 passes the first 7 games and didn't play till Munchie went down in the eighth game for the rest of the year .
Butch was a solid one qb coach while at Cincy and Central Michigan .

All of this is quite true. I believe, however, that there is another message that we can take away from Butch's track record at CMU and Cincy, which is that he prefers to use the quarterback position as a more integral part of the running game than we are accustomed to seeing from a Tennessee offense. I have not included garbage duty where a 2nd or 3rd string quarterback played a handful of plays, but consider the following data:

Cincinnati (2010-2012):
2012: Munchie Legaux 55-335 6.1 ave. 4 tds.
Brendon Kay 48-306 6.4 ave. 2 tds.
Total: 103-639 yds. 6 tds.

2011: Zach Collaros 84-234 2.8 ave. 8 tds.
Munchie Legaux 41-185 4.5 ave. 2 tds.
Total: 125-419 yds. 10 tds.

2010: Zach Collaros 121-202 1.7 ave. 4 tds.
Chazz Anderson 19-80 4.2 ave. 0 tds.
Total: 140-282 yds. 4 tds.

Central Michigan (2007-2009):
2009: Dan Lefevour 183-713 3.9 ave. 15 tds.

2008: Dan Lefevour 168-592 3.5 ave. 6 tds.

2007: Dan Lefevour 188-1122 6.0 ave. 19 tds. (Incidentally, Lefevour also passed for 3652 yds. and 27 tds. that year.).

Collectively, his starting quarterbacks at Cincinnati tallied 1340 yards rushing and 20 touchdowns; Lefevour rushed for 2427 yards and 40 tds at CMU. If his 2007 numbers had been achieved at a major college program, I dare say that he would have been in the Heisman Trophy race.

These numbers clearly indicate that Butch definitely likes to use his quarterback as an integral part of the running game. Given how punishing SEC defenses are, he might be inclined to "dial it down a notch" but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Dobbs, if he should wind up as the starter, with 80-100 carries.

 

[Captain Mitch]

I'm so confused on why everyone is using inexperience for Ferguson to be the starter. Yes, he hasn't played a snap, but what about Bray when he got his first start. He didn't have a single game under his belt, neither does any of the other QB's that get their first start. So why is everyone using this as an excuse that Ferguson won't start. I mean if that's the case then he will never play, nor will any other QB's we have in the future. Im not saying Ferguson is going to start, I honestly don't know who will, but what i'm saying is that inexperience isn't an excuse.

 

[butchna]

I'm so confused on why everyone is using inexperience for Ferguson to be the starter. Yes, he hasn't played a snap, but what about Bray when he got his first start. He didn't have a single game under his belt, neither does any of the other QB's that get their first start. So why is everyone using this as an excuse that Ferguson won't start. I mean if that's the case then he will never play, nor will any other QB's we have in the future. Im not saying Ferguson is going to start, I honestly don't know who will, but what i'm saying is that inexperience isn't an excuse.

By "no games under his belt"...do you mean starting? Because Bray played against Georgia...and quite a bit against USCe.

 

[Skullbone]

I hate to say it, but I really feel like it'll be another year before we see anything special from Ferguson. The ideal development of a young QB like him is play back-up to a more seasoned QB like Worley for a couple of years. Johnny Manziel and Nick Marshall have ruined the expectations for young QBs in college football. Their cases are not typical at all. I truly believe Worley will look a lot better with the new cast of receivers and another solid year to practice the new offense. Now the year after that, it's sink or swim for the young QBs.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

--QBs are high profile targets. The underlying aim of a defense is to neutralize them, legally of course and illegally if you can get away with it.

--At UT, it's interesting that Bray, Worley, and Peterman all incurred thumb injuries while throwing the ball. Butch never coached Bray so UT QB injury isn't unique to Butch.

--Very likely, if a serious look at 2010-2013 QB injuries throughout CFB, it may show a higher number of QBs hurt than other positions except maybe RB and WR. Which are also high priority targets of a defense. It ain't Butch, it's the game.

SPECULATION: It has long been my belief that the nutrition habits of today's kids is detrimental their tendons, bones, and strength development. And that enormous consumption of carbonated drinks are major contributing factor. Plus exclusions of certain vegetable intakes. So we're seeing frequencies and types of injuries we hardly ever heard of in past eras. That basketball kid last year who shattered his leg chasing a loose ball. Bone poking out if the flesh.
Same thing with several tennis players. Sheer frequencies of ACLs these days. The QB injuries we've seen at UT thusfar aren't all that drastic. Hand in forward motion meets helmet of an on-rushing defensive player equals hand injury. But the other stuff knocking out players is different. FB, BB, tennis, etc players just don't have the ruggedness of players of past eras. Even the Pentagon is mentioning this regarding their recruits for service.

Woodsman, 'tis interesting that you should make a link between nutritional patterns and injury rates. Here is some info that should interest you pertaining to deficiency rates of lowly vitamin D: "When assuming an optimal level of 75 nmol/L, one study in NFL players noted that up to 64% of athletes had deficient Vitamin D levels, with a correlation existing between players getting injured having less Vitamin D levels. Vitamin D deficiency appears to be correlated with increased risk of illness and injury among athletes, especially in regards to stress fractures” (Vitamin D - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com). Of course, most NFL players and college football players, for that matter, are African-American and their darker skin predisposes them to greater risk for vitamin D deficiency, simply because a high concentration of melanin acts as a natural sunscreen and reduces skin's ability to synthesize vitamin D from sun exposure. Without supplementation for vitamin D, serum levels will naturally decline during the late fall, winter and early spring, which would predispose athletes to greater injury risk during those periods, based on the research study cited above.