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#176
#176
Captain Mitch said:
I'm so confused on why everyone is using inexperience for Ferguson to be the starter. Yes, he hasn't played a snap, but what about Bray when he got his first start. He didn't have a single game under his belt, neither does any of the other QB's that get their first start. So why is everyone using this as an excuse that Ferguson won't start. I mean if that's the case then he will never play, nor will any other QB's we have in the future. Im not saying Ferguson is going to start, I honestly don't know who will, but what i'm saying is that inexperience isn't an excuse.
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Bray took over for the second half of USCe.

He replaced a guy with some "experience" but also a slow release, very little real talent, and who hesitated all the time.

Ferguson isn't Bray... good or bad it seems.

Worley nor Dobbs are Simms.

IMO, if one of the others is able to take the job away from Worley then UT will have a very, very good QB. If they aren't... UT will still have a very good QB. MOST of what Worley got blamed for last year was a direct result of the inexperience and poor play of the WR's. Based on reports, I'd say UT will have 4 or 5 WR's this fall playing at a higher level to begin the season than UT's best WR played at any point last year (North at the end of his year). UT didn't have a legitimate two deep of reliable WR's last year. This year they do. The TE position will be improved and especially if Branisel and Downs come back healthy. The RB position will go deeper with quality players.

I believe the OL as a unit will be as good or better than last year if they can find a good LT.
 
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#177
I wouldn't call Worley a very good QB based on last years stats. To me he had one decent game. Now this year he will have an abundance of weapons and he may prove to be very good if he starts. I really hope so if he starts.
 
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24/7vol said:
I wouldn't call Worley a very good QB based on last years stats. To me he had one decent game. Now this year he will have an abundance of weapons and he may prove to be very good if he starts. I really hope so if he starts.
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if you want to base their ability on last year then you can't call any of the WR's very good either. Hopefully they've all improved.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Woodsman, 'tis interesting that you should make a link between nutritional patterns and injury rates. Here is some info that should interest you pertaining to deficiency rates of lowly vitamin D: "When assuming an optimal level of 75 nmol/L, one study in NFL players noted that up to 64% of athletes had deficient Vitamin D levels, with a correlation existing between players getting injured having less Vitamin D levels. Vitamin D deficiency appears to be correlated with increased risk of illness and injury among athletes, especially in regards to stress fractures” (Vitamin D - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com). Of course, most NFL players and college football players, for that matter, are African-American and their darker skin predisposes them to greater risk for vitamin D deficiency, simply because a high concentration of melanin acts as a natural sunscreen and reduces skin's ability to synthesize vitamin D from sun exposure. Without supplementation for vitamin D, serum levels will naturally decline during the late fall, winter and early spring, which would predispose athletes to greater injury risk during those periods, based on the research study cited above.
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Racist, IMO.
 
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#180
With all due respect, Darth, your opinion on this matter isn’t worth squat. It is so convenient to dismiss legitimate scientific research which documents physiological differences in specific biological markers--whether they are clearly differentiated along age-, gender-, or ethnicity-based categories--as racist. Convenient, but highly erroneous.

For what it is worth, here are the bibliographical citations for studies referenced above:

21. Coney P, et al. Determination of vitamin D in relation to body mass index and race in a defined population of black and white women. Int J Gynaecol Obstet. (2012)

22. Fiscella K, Franks P. Vitamin D, race, and cardiovascular mortality: findings from a national US sample. Ann Fam Med. (2010)

218. Vitamin D Status in a Professional American Football Team: 2008: Board #203 June 2 9:00 AM - 10:30 AM

219. Halliday TM, et al. Vitamin D status relative to diet, lifestyle, injury, and illness in college athletes. Med Sci Sports Exerc. (2011)

220. Burgi AA, et al. High serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D is associated with a low incidence of stress fractures. J Bone Miner Res. (2011)
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
With all due respect, Darth, your opinion on this matter isn’t worth squat. It is so convenient to dismiss scientific research which documents physiological differences in specific biological markers--whether they are clearly differentiated along age-, gender-, or ethnicity-based categories--as racist. Convenient, but highly erroneous.
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I was being sarcastic, bro. That's Bio 101 stuff.

There are well documented evolutionary reasons for Europeans needing lighter skin to synthesize sufficient Vitamin D (since Europe is generally less sunny than Africa).

It makes sense that this could work the opposite way and adversely affect athletes of African descent.
 
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#182
#182
i too think Dobbs is our guy. It just makes the most sense. Ended last year on a high note. Played well enough without weapons down the stretch. Got bigger and stronger in the offseason. Proved he can take SEC hits, isn't afraid to run, and is very accurate!

Worley- just never really turned out to be what the noise was during his recruitment and is still making the same mistakes. no real growth

Peterman- would prolly serve the team better in another position

Ferguson- after being 100% going into the kentucky game last year, if he was as good as some would have others believe, he would've at least gotten a series. other than that, Butch is basically saying he's another Brett Farve type. a risk-taker. i don't think Jones wants that out of his qb's
 
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#183
Why would you burn a redshirt for one game? That doesn't make sense.

That Ferguson didn't play in the UK game means zilch.
 
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BookVol said:
Why would you burn a redshirt for one game? That doesn't make sense.

That Ferguson didn't play in the UK game means zilch.
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i'm pretty sure there was more to my post on ferguson, but hey.......

and who cares if ur gonna open competition up anyways? why not play him during the vandy game? gotta go for the win and a bowl, right?
 
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lexkyvol said:
but i guess now ur response will be "well why would he burn it for 2 games"? lol
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Well yeah, but he also was behind on building chemistry and reps with the starting Wrs and we don't know if he was 100% anyway. I want the best QB to play, but even if Fergy was better than Dobbs last year it's a terrible idea to throw yet another freshman QB to the wolves.

Dobbs being healthy in the Bama game was what made CBJ's decision for him. We don't know what would have happened in other scenarios.

Nevertheless they're all healthy now and hopefully one of them starts distinguishing themselves soon. IMO it is good that we have eligibility staggered like we do now.
 
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BookVol said:
Well yeah, but he also was behind on building chemistry and reps with the starting Wrs and we don't know if he was 100% anyway. I want the best QB to play, but even if Fergy was better than Dobbs last year it's a terrible idea to throw yet another freshman QB to the wolves.

Dobbs being healthy in the Bama game was what made CBJ's decision for him. We don't know what would have happened in other scenarios.

Nevertheless they're all healthy now and hopefully one of them starts distinguishing themselves soon. IMO it is good that we have eligibility staggered like we do now.
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fair enough! i just really think that ferguson has the tools, but lacks the mental phase in decision-making. and this is based off practice reports of his mistakes. Dobbs looked good with a horrible WR core last year and damn near led us to a bowl game if it likely weren't for Pig's block-in-the-back or the very late TD vandy scored. the one question many had about Dobbs was his arm strength, which he seems to have improved in the offseason. outside of that, he did pretty well for a true frosh
 
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#189
I think ppl who want Dobbs to start would be just as happy if Hurd was named the starting QB. At least he may break a few more long runs lol. Dobbs' arm strength and decision making was absolutely terrible IMO.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Woodsman, 'tis interesting that you should make a link between nutritional patterns and injury rates. Here is some info that should interest you pertaining to deficiency rates of lowly vitamin D: "When assuming an optimal level of 75 nmol/L, one study in NFL players noted that up to 64% of athletes had deficient Vitamin D levels, with a correlation existing between players getting injured having less Vitamin D levels. Vitamin D deficiency appears to be correlated with increased risk of illness and injury among athletes, especially in regards to stress fractures” (Vitamin D - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com). Of course, most NFL players and college football players, for that matter, are African-American and their darker skin predisposes them to greater risk for vitamin D deficiency, simply because a high concentration of melanin acts as a natural sunscreen and reduces skin's ability to synthesize vitamin D from sun exposure. Without supplementation for vitamin D, serum levels will naturally decline during the late fall, winter and early spring, which would predispose athletes to greater injury risk during those periods, based on the research study cited above.
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Thank you for that information, Volosaurus rex. I will look into it. I never have formally, but long suspected this merely from seeing injury incidents that just seemed to point at this concept. I will also try to find time to look for evidence that carbonated drinks decrease bone density thus contribute to players with tendon and bone related injuries. Can't say I'm surprised that some real research verified my haphazard guest. I also saw how both high school and college students ate. Then noticed injuries that popped up from just walking up and down stairways and chasing frisbees. It all just made me wonder.
 
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lexkyvol said:
i too think Dobbs is our guy. It just makes the most sense. Ended last year on a high note. Played well enough without weapons down the stretch. Got bigger and stronger in the offseason. Proved he can take SEC hits, isn't afraid to run, and is very accurate!

Worley- just never really turned out to be what the noise was during his recruitment and is still making the same mistakes. no real growth

Peterman- would prolly serve the team better in another position

Ferguson- after being 100% going into the kentucky game last year, if he was as good as some would have others believe, he would've at least gotten a series. other than that, Butch is basically saying he's another Brett Farve type. a risk-taker. i don't think Jones wants that out of his qb's
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Ferguson didn't play last year vs Ky because they were preserving his redshirt. He hadn't play all year long partially due to injury and would've made absolutely zero sense to burn his redshirt at that point.

Butch has also said that Riley is a playmaker who can "turn nothing into something", which he has said he definitely wants.

Also, Peterman's a QB. He's not gonna play another position.....He'll either play QB or he won't play.

I also like Dobbs as well. He played well at times in very difficult circumstances vs the top teams in the SEC last year. I'll be more than fine if he's the QB.
 
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lexkyvol said:
fair enough! i just really think that ferguson has the tools, but lacks the mental phase in decision-making. and this is based off practice reports of his mistakes. Dobbs looked good with a horrible WR core last year and damn near led us to a bowl game if it likely weren't for Pig's block-in-the-back or the very late TD vandy scored. the one question many had about Dobbs was his arm strength, which he seems to have improved in the offseason. outside of that, he did pretty well for a true frosh
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There was more than one question about Dobbs. The other was his accuracy which the coaches said he was struggling with in practices last year. I don't know what practice reports you've been reading, but nothing I read has made it sound like Dobbs has had amazing practices, whereas there are almost always notes about Riley or Worley doing something very well.

I want the best QB to be the starter. It might be Dobbs. But at the same time, I'm not going to overlook the facts just to fit my agenda.
 
#193
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lexkyvol said:
he (dobbs) just seemed to get better each game
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Did you miss the Vandy game ... or did those total 16 yds passing until the final seconds when he completed his last two throws for 37 yds impress you . He still only had 53 total yds passing
 
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#194
#194
coug said:
"Worley again got the opening snaps with the first-team offense and again responded in kind. The senior from Rock Hill, S.C., arced a 25-yard touchdown to Jason Croom down the right sideline for an early score. Perhaps even more impressive, Worley --- with the offense backed up to its 1-yard line --- came out firing. His first toss to Josh Smith was well placed but Smith juggled it just enough to allow the defender to break up the pass."
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JOSH SMITH CAN'T CATCH... why is he still playing? I don't care how open he can get.
 
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#196
#196
It really does worry me that we have posters on VN who are deciding on our QB position based on things they have heard. If I just knew the coaches were going to ultimately make that decision, I can't tell you how much more relieved that it make me.

Since you aren't going to allow the coaches to make that decision based on what they observe, it does seem paramount that you internet coaches should agree on one QB. However, you are scattered among at least 3 different ones. Not I'm really fretting.
 
#198
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lexkyvol said:
i too think Dobbs is our guy. It just makes the most sense. Ended last year on a high note. Played well enough without weapons down the stretch. Got bigger and stronger in the offseason. Proved he can take SEC hits, isn't afraid to run, and is very accurate!

Worley- just never really turned out to be what the noise was during his recruitment and is still making the same mistakes. no real growth

Peterman- would prolly serve the team better in another position

Ferguson- after being 100% going into the kentucky game last year, if he was as good as some would have others believe, he would've at least gotten a series. other than that, Butch is basically saying he's another Brett Farve type. a risk-taker. i don't think Jones wants that out of his qb's
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I like all 4 guys but you are absolutely wrong about Worley. He may not win the job but things would have been FAR worse with any of the other 3 playing early in the season last year. Peterman in Jones' opinion was 2nd to him... and we all saw what happened at UF... and what happened when Worley took over again in the 2nd half. With a little more help around him, it is possible if not likely that he would have brought them back into contention for the game. In desperation and with only one WR with even a clue about how to play, he threw for 149 in a half and moved the O. UT had 6 yds of total O in the first half and 214 in the second half.

I STILL do not understand the popularity of bashing the guy here. With playmakers who know what they are doing... he will be a good QB... IF he wins the job.
 
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#199
if petterman is the front runner, your looking at the biggest turn around off season in history!!! he sold his soul!!!
 
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#200
#200
VOLinNC said:
I think ppl who want Dobbs to start would be just as happy if Hurd was named the starting QB. At least he may break a few more long runs lol. Dobbs' arm strength and decision making was absolutely terrible IMO.
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He seemed to throw a nice tight spiral on middle passes and short stuff. His arm looked suspect to the outside. I was actually surprised the other day. He has gained weight and strength but his arm didn't look much if any stronger.
 
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