QB competition..

[sjt18]

I support whoever wins the dang thing...vast majority will afterwards...until the first bounced pass and/or interception....

And that's pretty much where I was headed. If Worley wins the job then every mistake will be met by a "I knew _____ should have gotten the job. Worley needs to be benched."

If Ferguson gets it at least some of the Dobbs supporters will do the same when he makes mistakes or can't outrun a LB.

I think you and I are on the same page. Let's let the coaches work out the starter then support them regardless. Guys making these "big" and usually baseless statements are tying their egos to the failure of anyone who isn't "their guy". We've both seen that here before. Very few ever say "I was wrong".

 

[sjt18]

So Worley starts...we get slaughtered in OK and we make a change just like in the swamp last year. How many games do we lose at the beginning of season before Butch pulls Worley? I say start Ferg/Dobbs and build!!

Here you go Butchna. Worley is already to blame if UT gets slaughtered by a team coming off a big win over Bama. And if it is a slaughter... then that PROVES that the Ferguson/Dobbs folks were right.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

How many people remember when Worley was playing last year? We were on here calling for his head because honestly it was hard to even watch. We have a win against a good team and everyone thinks he will be great. Just be prepared to see he is pretty bad in real games.

Bruise, it's sort like this, you know:

o/ o/ Oh the finicky-ness of a presumptuous fan. o/ o/

o/ o/ Among the lot, alla them, not one is a man o/ o/

o/ o/ o/ They will never, ever, understand. Oh. o/ o/
o/ o/ They may presume, yet very little they know o/ o/

o/ o/ Like autumn leaves adrift in an evening wind o/ o/
o/ o/ These fake coaches spout nonsense and pretend o/ o/
o/ o/To be so utterly, thoroughly informed o/ o/
o/ o/ But if their advice was taken, it would do the team the greatest harm o/ o/

o/ o/ They love a player today, then hate him tomorrow. o/ o/
o/ o/For slightest reason, during the season, oh the sorrow o/ o/

o/ o/ Oh the finicky-ness of a presumptuous fan. o/ o/
o/ o/ Among the lot, alla them, not one is a man o/ o/

 

[sjt18]

How many people remember when Worley was playing last year? We were on here calling for his head because honestly it was hard to even watch. We have a win against a good team and everyone thinks he will be great. Just be prepared to see he is pretty bad in real games.

He ran the O best of any of the 3 QB's who played. He beat out all 3 of the other QB's. Jones was confident enough in his QB choices that he didn't push too hard for a QB in this year's class... that expresses confidence in the group and SPECIFICALLY in Worley.

You mean it was difficult to watch when he was dealing with all brand new receivers in a brand new system? When he was playing with WR's that couldn't be trusted to get off coverage, run the right routes correctly, or catch the ball if they happened to show up in the right vicinity?

Worley earned the spot. He was the leader of the O on the bleeding edge of implementation. People here protest any criticism or evaluation of the staff for the results last year. But that is a million times more reasonable than judging Worley in the situation he was thrown into. He may not win the job again... but it is ridiculous not to put judgment of his performance last fall in perspective.

 

[Coug]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/CTw0ZeXR_fM[/youtube]

First pass is at 1:07 which is thrown perfectly but dropped FYI.
Pretty darn good playing for your very first CFB reps against Alabama. People saying he can't move the O line, looks to me like he managed the only touchdown of the game that day.

 

[sjt18]

First pass is at 1:07 which is thrown perfectly but dropped FYI.
Pretty darn good playing for your very first CFB reps against Alabama. People saying he can't move the O line, looks to me like he managed the only touchdown of the game that day.

I like Dobbs. He throws a nice ball and seems to have decent zip on shorter throws.

Dropped passes, poorly run routes, incorrectly run routes, inability of WR's to read coverages, etc hurt UT last year. It hurt Worley too. They were much further along when Dobbs was playing though.

The game was over vs Bama by that time. It was a nice drive but hardly something we can hang our hats on too much.

 

[sjt18]

My opinion (alphabetical order):

Dobbs
Strengths- very smart, takes coaching, runs well, throws a nice looking short pass
Weaknesses- made poor decisions with the ball, doesn't throw the deep ball well, did not appear to have good command of the O, took MUCH longer to get plays off.

Ferguson-
Strengths- reputed to have the strongest arm, tough, said to have good leadership ability
Weaknesses- no experience, unknown understanding or command of the O, said to take bad risks with the ball, not reported to be a great runner like Dobbs

Peterman
Strengths- gritty, said to be a very good runner in HS, good overall athlete, good arm
Weaknesses- can he recover emotionally?, panicked under pressure, poor ball decisions, did not run well or make good run choices, did not seem to have command of the O

Worley
Strengths- good arm (2nd to Ferguson if reports are to be believed), good leader, tough, best manager of the O on the team, best decision making of the 3 who played, better than expected straight line speed, very good size, appears to have the quickest release
Weaknesses- release is still quirky looking, can be panicked under pressure, makes poor run reads,

 

[LotteryPick]

My opinion (alphabetical order):

Dobbs
Strengths- very smart, takes coaching, runs well, throws a nice looking short pass
Weaknesses- made poor decisions with the ball, doesn't throw the deep ball well, did not appear to have good command of the O, took MUCH longer to get plays off.

Ferguson-
Strengths- reputed to have the strongest arm, tough, said to have good leadership ability
Weaknesses- no experience, unknown understanding or command of the O, said to take bad risks with the ball, not reported to be a great runner like Dobbs

Peterman
Strengths- gritty, said to be a very good runner in HS, good overall athlete, good arm
Weaknesses- can he recover emotionally?, panicked under pressure, poor ball decisions, did not run well or make good run choices, did not seem to have command of the O

Worley
Strengths- good arm (2nd to Ferguson if reports are to be believed), good leader, tough, best manager of the O on the team, best decision making of the 3 who played, better than expected straight line speed, very good size, appears to have the quickest release
Weaknesses- release is still quirky looking, can be panicked under pressure, makes poor run reads,

I believe reports have said Ferguson has beaten Dobbs in some agility drills. We aren't really sure if he's a better runner yet. Dobbs is fleet of foot, though, so that may be a safe assumption at this point.

 

[Jax_Vol]

As the old saying goes..."if you got four quarterbacks; u don't have a quarterback"

 

[BruiserVol]

Bruise, it's sort like this, you know:

o/ o/ Oh the finicky-ness of a presumptuous fan. o/ o/

o/ o/ Among the lot, alla them, not one is a man o/ o/

o/ o/ o/ They will never, ever, understand. Oh. o/ o/
o/ o/ They may presume, yet very little they know o/ o/

o/ o/ Like autumn leaves adrift in an evening wind o/ o/
o/ o/ These fake coaches spout nonsense and pretend o/ o/
o/ o/To be so utterly, thoroughly informed o/ o/
o/ o/ But if their advice was taken, it would do the team the greatest harm o/ o/

o/ o/ They love a player today, then hate him tomorrow. o/ o/
o/ o/For slightest reason, during the season, oh the sorrow o/ o/

o/ o/ Oh the finicky-ness of a presumptuous fan. o/ o/
o/ o/ Among the lot, alla them, not one is a man o/ o/

If you don't mind me asking, what is your profession? I see you make up so many things like this and it is insane what an imagination you have lol. It would take me all day to think of anything I see you post half the time.

 

[GrowVol]

Dobbs has the split second "run for yards" instinct but needs to improve arm. Worley has the split second "do not go run out there" instinct but needs to improve consistency with arm. Fergy has the Bray arm but no experience yet. Peterman is in Florida.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Dobbs has the split second "run for yards" instinct but needs to improve arm. Worley has the split second "do not go run out there" instinct but needs to improve consistency with arm. Fergy has the Bray arm but no experience yet. Peterman is in Florida.

Fergy may have a good arm, but you might be understating the "Bray arm". Bray's arm was something that is very rare to see. That man could sling a ball from one side of the field to the other with minimal effort.

 

[dcm3w]

Nick Stephens was also "a 5 star" when it came to arm strength. So was CJ Leak, and Crompton had arguably the strongest arm of any QB from 2000-2010... For what all that is worth.

CJ might not have had the best arm but he had consistency and amazing game management. Has anyone ever noticed CBJ's favorite word is "consistency"?

 

[GLDunlap]

CJ might not have had the best arm but he had consistency and amazing game management. Has anyone ever noticed CBJ's favorite word is "consistency"?

I believe you must be thinking of Chris Leak who is CJ's brother. CJ was anything but consistent.

 

[LotteryPick]

Fergy may have a good arm, but you might be understating the "Bray arm". Bray's arm was something that is very rare to see. That man could sling a ball from one side of the field to the other with minimal effort.

IIRC, Hubbs or Fort said Ferguson's arm wasn't far behind Bray's.

 

[orange parmejohn]

This sounds like last year, all over again.

 

[MustafaRasta]

If you don't mind me asking, what is your profession? I see you make up so many things like this and it is insane what an imagination you have lol. It would take me all day to think of anything I see you post half the time.

professional drug taker

 

[WoodsmanVol]

If you don't mind me asking, what is your profession? I see you make up so many things like this and it is insane what an imagination you have lol. It would take me all day to think of anything I see you post half the time.

All I will tell you is I've been many things. Teacher, actor (mainly for film/video made for kids), US Forest Service (temp), pastor's assistance, courier, long distance delivery driver, state and federal government panelist, and well, Barbasol stopped hiring people like me long ago, so. . . . Yeah, currently enjoying the VN forum, to the angst of some. But somebody has got to represent the craziness that goes on here. So I elected me.

Now, 'bout them QBs, let's see who comes out as top dog next practice. Prediction: The Dobb Goblin.

I'm beginning to think CBJ intends to run a dual QB team like he did in Cincy.

 

[Vol4life25]

Yeah that's true. I honestly have stated in recent posts that I'm hoping for Dobbs. If that's true about Ferguson and he really is behind, I think Dobbs should be the guy. People say he played bad last year, but he played 2 and a half games against top 10 teams, that's hard for any freshman especially when those are your first 3 games. I think if Dobbs would have started from the beginning of the season he would have performed better by those games, but that's a conversation for a completely different thread. I see Dobbs having the most upside, and unless he is just completely flat throughout spring and summer practices, I think he should get the nod.

Vandy and Kentucky are top 10 teams?

Dobbs is horrible, and don't give me "he's a freshman" excuse.

I forget who it was, but someone done a study, and most QB don't change much from freshman to Sr. What you get is what you get. I'm not saying they dont improve, but most don't improve significant.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

Vandy and Kentucky are top 10 teams?

Dobbs is horrible, and don't give me "he's a freshman" excuse.

I forget who it was, but someone done a study, and most QB don't change much from freshman to Sr. What you get is what you get. I'm not saying they dont improve, but most don't improve significant.

I'd have to see that study before I believed that. Over a 4 year span, idk how you could say there is little chance for significant improvement. Not everyone does but I have to think that many do.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Vandy and Kentucky are top 10 teams?

Dobbs is horrible, and don't give me "he's a freshman" excuse.

I forget who it was, but someone done a study, and most QB don't change much from freshman to Sr. What you get is what you get. I'm not saying they dont improve, but most don't improve significant.

The Dobbs hate is strong is this one.

Now, about this study you mention--LINK? If a QB doesn't change, the fault lies very much with the coaches. Spurrier, among some others are well-known and proven to be QB developers. The Reaves-Kiffin team did it with a hopeless Jonathan Crompton. The 2008 outgoing coaches even told the incoming regime to make BJ Coleman their QB. But Cromp got coached up probably for the first time he was at the UT and did a major turnaround. It remains to be seen if the current regime can coach up our QBs.

Bray for all his talent, never really was a QB in the sense of being a field general. He just slung the ball to receivers who could pad his passing statistics. He relied purely on his natural abilities despite the presence of Chaney. In essence, he wasn't very coachable. Gruden exposed Bray's lack of even fundamental understanding of football tactics. But no denying his arm and accuracy abilities. He didn't change from his enrollment to his departure because he was immature and bullheaded. Too cocky for his own good. The guys we have now seem to be very willing to learn.

Now, all four of our QBs (five actually counting Ashford) have apparently made no real headway, not even the senior. Gotta ask why. But this is the year we find out if our coaches can DEVELOP QBs. So I'd like to see who did that research you mention and the results. Got a hunch it was more speculation than actual science.

 

[gnm53108]

Vandy and Kentucky are top 10 teams?

Dobbs is horrible, and don't give me "he's a freshman" excuse.

I forget who it was, but someone done a study, and most QB don't change much from freshman to Sr. What you get is what you get. I'm not saying they dont improve, but most don't improve significant.

With good coaching you can see dramatic improvement. He're a list of a few TN qb's that we saw as freshman. Peyton Manning, Tee Martin (didnt play much as a freshman but greatly improved over the course of 98), Casey Clausen, Jonathon Crompton(the difference between jr and sr was astounding), Tyler Bray.

 

[soda23]

I believe you must be thinking of Chris Leak who is CJ's brother. CJ was anything but consistent.

not true ...CJ was consistently bad

 

[soda23]

All I will tell you is I've been many things. Teacher, actor (mainly for film/video made for kids), US Forest Service (temp), pastor's assistance, courier, long distance delivery driver, state and federal government panelist, and well, Barbasol stopped hiring people like me long ago, so. . . . Yeah, currently enjoying the VN forum, to the angst of some. But somebody has got to represent the craziness that goes on here. So I elected me.

Now, 'bout them QBs, let's see who comes out as top dog next practice. Prediction: The Dobb Goblin.

I'm beginning to think CBJ intends to run a dual QB team like he did in Cincy.

He didn't run a dual qb team at Cincy . The number two qb never played outside of mop-up duty unless the starter was hurt . People look at stats and assume both qb's played regularly but that wasn't the case at all.
Butch's first year the backup threw 4 passes the first 6 games , 41 the next two when Collaros was hurt and none the next 4 games
His second year Legaux threw 7 passes the first eight games all in mop-up duty in big wins over Austin Peay and Akron and didn't play anymore until Collaros went down .
In his last season at Cincy, Kay threw 2 passes the first 7 games and didn't play till Munchie went down in the eighth game for the rest of the year .
Butch was a solid one qb coach while at Cincy and Central Michigan .

 

[marcusluvsvols]

He didn't run a dual qb team at Cincy . The number two qb never played outside of mop-up duty unless the starter was hurt . People look at stats and assume both qb's played regularly but that wasn't the case at all.
Butch's first year the backup threw 4 passes the first 6 games , 41 the next two when Collaros was hurt and none the next 4 games
His second year Legaux threw 7 passes the first eight games all in mop-up duty in big wins over Austin Peay and Akron and didn't play anymore until Collaros went down .
In his last season at Cincy, Kay threw 2 passes the first 7 games and didn't play till Munchie went down in the eighth game for the rest of the year .
Butch was a solid one qb coach while at Cincy and Central Michigan .[/QUOTE

Solid post.]