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#76
#76
therealUT said:
Unless you go out and prove that Hinduism is a fictional myth, you have no credibility in making the above argument.
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LOL! What the heck does Hinduism have to do with anything? I never belittled Hinduism or even called it a fictional myth. I don't know a lot about it.
 
#77
#77
therealUT said:
From what I have read regarding Christian Canon, Doctrine and Dogma.

A - Authoritative Aspect of Scripture
B - Belief in Jesus, as the Son of God
C - Belief in the Holy Spirit
D - Conscious Acceptance of Baptism
E - Internal Instigation of the Holy Spirit

If A then B;
If B then C;
If C then D;
If D then E;
If E then A...

If not A then not B;
If not B then not C;
If not C then not D;
If not D then not E;
If not E then not A...

The argument for the logical proof that Scripture has Divine Authority for anyone is completely circular.
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Trolling mode today?
 
#78
#78
therealUT said:
Science, since it works within nature, can never answer the ultimate question of how nature came to exist (since that would require working outside of nature); however, that does not mean the default answer is Christianity any more than it means the default answer is Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism, Judaism, etc. It simply means that the default answer should start with a generic Deism.
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I like this approach. Who is to say that what we desribe as evolution is not in fact God's Intelligent Design? Couldn't the Big Bang have been the beginning of the process? By refusing to consider this idea, wouldn't one be claiming to "know" God's plan and wouldn't that be blasphemous? If you believe God created man and endowed him with certain characteristics, such as intelligence and imagination, wouldn't He expect and it be natural for man to question everything, including God himself?
 
#79
#79
therealUT said:
From what I have read regarding Christian Canon, Doctrine and Dogma.

A - Authoritative Aspect of Scripture
B - Belief in Jesus, as the Son of God
C - Belief in the Holy Spirit
D - Conscious Acceptance of Baptism
E - Internal Instigation of the Holy Spirit

If A then B;
If B then C;
If C then D;
If D then E;
If E then A...

If not A then not B;
If not B then not C;
If not C then not D;
If not D then not E;
If not E then not A...

The argument for the logical proof that Scripture has Divine Authority for anyone is completely circular.
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If by "circular" you mean taken on faith, I guess you're right.
 
#80
#80
Panthro said:
LOL! What the heck does Hinduism have to do with anything? I never belittled Hinduism or even called it a fictional myth. I don't know a lot about it.
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Hinduism is a religion. Religion attempts to explain the universe - by believing a Christian God created the universe - you, by deafult, believe that a similar hindu God did not do so.
 
#81
#81
CSVol said:
I like this approach. Who is to say that what we desribe as evolution is not in fact God's Intelligent Design? Couldn't the Big Bang have been the beginning of the process? By refusing to consider this idea, wouldn't one be claiming to "know" God's plan and wouldn't that be blasphemous? If you believe God created man and endowed him with certain characteristics, such as intelligence and imagination, wouldn't He expect and it be natural for man to question everything, including God himself?
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This is similar to the Bible's claims that God created us in his own image...how the **** can anyone know what God looks like?
 
#86
#86
KiffinKiller said:
Hinduism is a religion. Religion attempts to explain the universe - by believing a Christian God created the universe - you, by deafult, believe that a similar hindu God did not do so.
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Right. But you are missing the point I've tried to make several times. It's that I don't know positively what's right and what's wrong. I worry with myself and my family. I'd never dream of telling a devout Hindu that they were wrong.
All I want you to concede is that there is a chance that all of these billions and billions of Christians are onto something. Barring a divine personal visit from the Holy Spirit, I won't be positive that I'm right, either. I simply want you to consider for one second that you might be wrong.
 
#87
#87
Gramps said:
If you are real lucky, GS may show you a few photos.
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lmao. I suppose. Let me be clear here - I'm not some atheist trolling the religious - I believe in some spiritual existence after death - I just don't believe in the elaborate story that decrees that the existence is heaven and it was created by a magical being.
 
#88
#88
Panthro said:
Right. But you are missing the point I've tried to make several times. It's that I don't know positively what's right and what's wrong. I worry with myself and my family. I'd never dream of telling a devout Hindu that they were wrong.
All I want you to concede is that there is a chance that all of these billions and billions of Christians are onto something. Barring a divine personal visit from the Holy Spirit, I won't be positive that I'm right, either. I simply want you to consider for one second that you might be wrong.
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i question my beliefs every day - how do you think I got to this point. :hi:

I guess I misunderstood what you were trying to do.
 
#89
#89
KiffinKiller said:
lmao. I suppose. Let me be clear here - I'm not some atheist trolling the religious - I believe in some spiritual existence after death - I just don't believe in the elaborate story that decrees that the existence is heaven and it was created by a magical being.
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What type of existence do you believe there is after death?
 
#90
#90
Panthro said:
Right. But you are missing the point I've tried to make several times. It's that I don't know positively what's right and what's wrong. I worry with myself and my family. I'd never dream of telling a devout Hindu that they were wrong.
All I want you to concede is that there is a chance that all of these billions and billions of Christians are onto something. Barring a divine personal visit from the Holy Spirit, I won't be positive that I'm right, either. I simply want you to consider for one second that you might be wrong.
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Can you clarify? Do you believe the Christian story of creation?
 
#94
#94
lawgator1 said:
If by "circular" you mean taken on faith, I guess you're right.
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According to Christian Canon and Dogma, one cannot even receive the blessing of faith without the IIHS, which one cannot receive without baptism, which one cannot receive (even informally) without believing in the divinity of Christ, which one cannot believe without accepting the authority of Scripture, which one cannot accept without faith, which one cannot receive without the IIHS, which one cannot receive without baptism, which one cannot receive (even informally) without believing in the divinity of Christ, which one cannot believe without accepting the authority of Scripture, which one cannot accept without faith, which one cannot receive...
 
#97
#97
KiffinKiller said:
but you don't contend that they're true, right?
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No, I do. Otherwise I wouldn't be on here arguing on behalf of Christianity. I am simply human enough to admit that there's a chance that I'm wrong. It's my biggest fear.
But as I stated earlier, I have confidence that my beliefs are correct, and I pray everyday that the Lord will help me rise above doubt.
 
#98
#98
Panthro said:
No, I do. Otherwise I wouldn't be on here arguing on behalf of Christianity. I am simply human enough to admit that there's a chance that I'm wrong. It's my biggest fear.
But as I stated earlier, I have confidence that my beliefs are correct, and I pray everyday that the Lord will help me rise above doubt.
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If you believe that your belief re: creation is correct, then you, whether or not you explicitly state it, believe that the Hindus are wrong. By not coming out and stating it, you are not fooling anyone.
 
#99
#99
Panthro said:
No, I do. Otherwise I wouldn't be on here arguing on behalf of Christianity. I am simply human enough to admit that there's a chance that I'm wrong. It's my biggest fear.
But as I stated earlier, I have confidence that my beliefs are correct, and I pray everyday that the Lord will help me rise above doubt.
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Why be afraid of being wrong? Isn't that what faith is about? Shouldn't your faith in God be all you need to believe?
 
#100
#100
therealUT said:
If you believe that your belief re: creation is correct, then you, whether or not you explicitly state it, believe that the Hindus are wrong. By not coming out and stating it, you are not fooling anyone.
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which goes along with the saying "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do"
 
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