question about homosexuality

in your opinion are the gay people born that way or do they make a choice to be gay?

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Danl said:
Is it important to you?
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My opinion is it's a choice.
Do they have a right in a free country to choose that lifestyle? Absolutely.
Is it important to me that its a choice? Not really.
You may have noticed I don't get mad or personal in these threads. It's an interesting discussion. That's about it.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
My opinion is it's a choice.
Do they have a right in a free country to choose that lifestyle? Absolutely.
Is it important to me that its a choice? Not really.
You may have noticed I don't get mad or personal in these threads. It's an interesting discussion. That's about it.
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If no one cared if it were a choice or not, i think there would be very little controversy about it.


But, unfortunately, many folks believe that it is a choice AND therefore inappropriate/sinful/unnatural and should therefore be legally discriminated against.AS an example, the recent actions in NC.


I think speaking against such actions is important.


I don't get mad on this forum either. Sorry if it "sounds" like it.
 
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I do want to ask the "born" crowd a question....

If there is such thing as a "gay" gene, do you think it's safe to say there can be a "poor" gene?? What about a "successful" gene, or "lazy" gene?? What about a "drunk" gene??
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I do want to ask the "born" crowd a question....

If there is such thing as a "gay" gene, do you think it's safe to say there can be a "poor" gene?? What about a "successful" gene, or "lazy" gene?? What about a "drunk" gene??
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If there's a drunk gene my family has it.
 
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Danl said:
If no one cared if it were a choice or not, i think there would be very little controversy about it.


But, unfortunately, many folks believe that it is a choice AND therefore inappropriate/sinful/unnatural and should therefore be legally discriminated against.AS an example, the recent actions in NC.


I think speaking against such actions is important.


I don't get mad on this forum either. Sorry if it "sounds" like it.
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I know from the past you don't. That's why I called you gay when you're not. I don't aggravate many in the politics forum. Most can't handle it.
 
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therealUT said:
Or go to hell, because while God might have made you gay, he will still not allow you to have gay sex.
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This has been a major point for me over the years. As mentioned before, I am completely convinced that I was born gay - no choice involved. I did eventually make the choice to enter into a homosexual relationship - a loving, monogamous relationship going on 19 years fwiw. I just cannot accept that God made us gay with the expectation that we lead a life of celibacy, or face eternal damnation. That simply does not sound like a loving God.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I was f'ing with you.
seriously though. If I believe you (people other than me) have the freedom to live as you choose, why is born that way vs choice important?
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Just to add perspective from the other side...the reason this question is so important is because we are striving for equality. Many homosexuals view this as a civil rights issue - sexual orientation to us is the same as race or gender; something in which we have no choice. If/when it is scientifically proven that no choice is involved, I truly believe that more folks will modify their feelings on the topic - certainly not all, but some.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
So normally, a person's brain is hardwired to be attracted to the opposite sex, correct? Do you think out of the 6.8 billion people on Earth, maybe, POSSIBLY, not every single person's brain is hardwired the same?

Think about all of the mental abnormalities that exist. Not to label homosexuality as a derogatory term, but it is a deviant from the norm.
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I believe god made man in his likeness and woman for his partner. So your asking me if i think God messed up on any of his 6.8billion creations?

My answer is no...
 
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JuggernaUT_VOL said:
I believe god made man in his likeness and woman for his partner. So your asking me if i think God messed up on any of his 6.8billion creations?

My answer is no...
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Not trying to argue, but what about the documented homosexuality found in multiple species of the animal kingdom - some of which mate for life with same-sex partners? I know animals do not possess the same intellect or consciousness of humans, but are part of God's creation nonetheless. My whole point in bringing this up is to highlight the fact that homosexual behavior exists in the natural world across multiple species. I agree that God would not make a mistake, so this must be expected behavior.
 
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JuggernaUT_VOL said:
I believe god made man in his likeness and woman for his partner. So your asking me if i think God messed up on any of his 6.8billion creations?

So gay folks are something that is "messed up"?

My answer is no...
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So.....all 6.8 billion humans are/were all born perfect?
 
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gcbvol said:
Not trying to argue, but what about the documented homosexuality found in multiple species of the animal kingdom - some of which mate for life with same-sex partners? I know animals do not possess the same intellect or consciousness of humans, but are part of God's creation nonetheless. My whole point in bringing this up is to highlight the fact that homosexual behavior exists in the natural world across multiple species. I agree that God would not make a mistake, so this must be expected behavior.
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I understand your comparison. But he never said he made any creature in his likeness but us. We are his prized possession. Not getting worked up just asking if you believe animals will join us in heaven? Or if you believe humans can be held to the same standards as beasts?
 
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Danl said:
So.....all 6.8 billion humans are/were all born perfect?
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We are all born into sin. No person is perfect. Do you believe god accepts homosexuals? If so why would he destroy sadam and gomora?

Edit: Not to be twisted i stated god made us in his likeness. Not born perfect. But if we are made to be like him why would he let a child be born to have a mind set that is an abomination unto him?

The reason i got into thia convo is bc my son will be born early sept .. my first and i will not accept that my son that god has given to me that he has made will come out with any chance of being homosexual.
 
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gcbvol said:
Just to add perspective from the other side...the reason this question is so important is because we are striving for equality. Many homosexuals view this as a civil rights issue - sexual orientation to us is the same as race or gender; something in which we have no choice. If/when it is scientifically proven that no choice is involved, I truly believe that more folks will modify their feelings on the topic - certainly not all, but some.
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What if that proof never comes. Does that change anything?
 
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JuggernaUT_VOL said:
I understand your comparison. But he never said he made any creature in his likeness but us. We are his prized possession. Not getting worked up just asking if you believe animals will join us in heaven? Or if you believe humans can be held to the same standards as beasts?
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I have to admit that, although raised and lived a Christian for the majority of my life, at present my belief system is in a state of uncertainty. To answer your question, however, I would agree with you that humans would definitely be a much different standard. That is why having a belief system and dealing with what life has given you can be paradoxical. It was very, very difficult coming to terms with homosexuality - for me, understanding that homosexuality exists in the natural world (albeit with 'lesser' species), helped with my eventual acceptance.
 
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gcbvol said:
I have to admit that, although raised and lived a Christian for the majority of my life, at present my belief system is in a state of uncertainty. To answer your question, however, I would agree with you that humans would definitely be a much different standard. That is why having a belief system and dealing with what life has given you can be paradoxical. It was very, very difficult coming to terms with homosexuality - for me, understanding that homosexuality exists in the natural world (albeit with 'lesser' species), helped with my eventual acceptance.
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Just wondering if you believe god accepts homosexuals and usea the same reasoning you came up with?

I enjoy good healthy convo thanks for not being to outraged at my stance.
 
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