Rand Paul allegedly detained by TSA

#76
#76
What he did is more than complaining. You don't have to like the rules, but the feigned anger on this issue is more ridiculous than the pat downs themselves.

Anger? Have you seen his interview? He is not angry at all. He's quite calm. That doesn't mean he wants to unnecessarily submit to a patdown.

If he's right and the machine is randomly buzzing people so that they can conduct random searches, wouldn't that bother you?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmpYJ1TNqtc[/youtube]
 
#78
#78
I was at McGhee-Tyson in late 2001, after returning home for Thanksgiving, flying back to Upstate NY where I lived at the time.

We were all in line to get scanned and searched, if necessary, patiently waiting our turn as the gentleman did their jobs. All of a sudden a woman rushed up to the line and plaintively stated stated she needed to cut ahead so she wouldn't miss her flight. I was the first person she approached, although I had turned back around after first making eye contact with her as she scurried up the ramp to the gates, and was startled when she was immediately in my ear demanding her right to go ahead.

Naturally, everyone was at least a bit apprehensive about flying that day, and I was definitely not thrilled at the prospect. The way the woman approached me and demanded to get ahead stunned me and left me speechless for a moment. The screeners noticed the commotion, as the woman implored me more loudly to cut in line, to which I finally said, "of course". I had arrived well over 2 hours early for my flight, as was suggested for all airline passengers during that time. I was in no hurry.

Other folks were just as complicit with her request as I, so she approached the screeners and told them to hurry. They did their best to get her through the process as quickly as possible, but when she went through the body scanner, the alarm went off. They asked her to step aside for a search, so naturally she went ballistic and started screaming, crying, and making statements that I will not repeat here about her ethnicity; not needing to be checked, because she was an American and how she knew people and had relatives who were in law enforcement and the Knoxville City Govt., etc. All the while, she was scanning the faces of the people behind her, looking for anyone to challenge her. Luckily, we all got it. She was more important than the rest of us, who had no problem with the men doing their jobs that day because we all knew that, inconvenient as it might be, they were there to protect us. We understood that she was allowed to question these things and, because of her ties to government officials and law enforcement, she could make her own damn rules!

The VIP ended up causing such a dramatic scene that the entire operation was temporarily halted and we all had to sweat out whether we would be able to board our flights on time, and whether we would be able to meet our rides waiting for us at the places we were going, and whether we would get our bags if we had to take a later flight, etc...

Don't tell me about whether Paul was right or wrong, in principle. Tell that to the people who might not want to be held up by another passenger who is being asked to do the same damn thing that the other 9 million (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) passengers who travel through that airport every year could be asked to do. I don't think they would agree that principle does anything other than, possibly, mess up their well laid plans. It just makes you have to wait on a big baby....
 
#80
#80
Again, Pooch, who are the people he inconvenienced? That's a nice story, and all, but I'm pretty certain Paul didn't delay anybody for more than a few seconds. I have yet to see a report of anybody complaining about Paul.

You all are attacking Paul based on an unfounded assumption. Why are you talking about somebody who cut in line and caused a dramatic scene? That has nothing to do with the Paul incident.
 
#82
#82
I'm trying to put myself in line behind him. I imagine there was a hold up. I wouldn't expect the people behind him in line to call the media about being delayed...that would be a waste of time...
 
#83
#83
This is so emblematic of what so many people in this country are so f-ing sick of, I can't even begin to express my own frustration with how out of touch some on this board are. It blows my mind that some cannot see how utterly arrogant and pathetic this whole ordeal is to the average, everyday guy who is sick of the elitist bs.

Can you really not see how much this pisses people off? There are 9 MILLION PEOPLE traveling through that one airport every year. What do you suggest the screeners do? Every time the flipping alarm goes off, if the guy has money and knows folks, he can just go back and forth through the scanner while everyone else has to wait until he discovers that he forget that his socks are made of gold?

Doesn't that compromise everyone else's safety and waste their time?
 
#85
#85
This is so emblematic of what so many people in this country are so f-ing sick of, I can't even begin to express my own frustration with how out of touch some on this board are. It blows my mind that some cannot see how utterly arrogant and pathetic this whole ordeal is to the average, everyday guy who is sick of the elitist bs.

Can you really not see how much this pisses people off? There are 9 MILLION PEOPLE traveling through that one airport every year. What do you suggest the screeners do? Every time the flipping alarm goes off, if the guy has money and knows folks, he can just go back and forth through the scanner while everyone else has to wait until he discovers that he forget that his socks are made of gold?

Doesn't that compromise everyone else's safety and waste their time?

No. If the good senator's actions lead to a change in TSA policy, saving everybody time for the rest of the history of US air travel, wouldn't that be a net gain in terms of time?

You probably didn't think of it like that.
 
#86
#86
I am very proud to have graduated with multiple degrees from the University of Tennessee.

UT undergraduate, UT MBA, UT Law School


When you get your GED, we can continue this discussion.

I know this is a lie because you very clearly don't know the law.
 
#88
#88
No. If the good senator's actions lead to a change in TSA policy, saving everybody time for the rest of the history of US air travel, wouldn't that be a net gain in terms of time?

You probably didn't think of it like that.

Don't patronize me, pal. What the hell does a Senator from Kentucky know about the intricacies of securing an international airport? He doesn't know anything. He acted like a jerk and is simply playing spin control, as to not embarrass his father who is running for President.

But, I guess you didn't think of it like that, huh?

Guess you don't really need to worry about those things in Utah.
 
#89
#89
This is so emblematic of what so many people in this country are so f-ing sick of, I can't even begin to express my own frustration with how out of touch some on this board are. It blows my mind that some cannot see how utterly arrogant and pathetic this whole ordeal is to the average, everyday guy who is sick of the elitist bs.

Can you really not see how much this pisses people off? There are 9 MILLION PEOPLE traveling through that one airport every year. What do you suggest the screeners do? Every time the flipping alarm goes off, if the guy has money and knows folks, he can just go back and forth through the scanner while everyone else has to wait until he discovers that he forget that his socks are made of gold?

Doesn't that compromise everyone else's safety and waste their time?

Speaking of patronization.
 
#90
#90
Don't patronize me, pal. What the hell does a Senator from Kentucky know about the intricacies of securing an international airport? He doesn't know anything. He acted like a jerk and is simply playing spin control, as to not embarrass his father who is running for President.

But, I guess you didn't think of it like that, huh?

Guess you don't really need to worry about those things in Utah.

This is actually a big issue to both of them, and they are proud of their stand. If you knew anything about this matter, you would know Rand Paul has been speaking out about the TSA a long time. This isn't something that just happened cause he has an ego, and now spin control is necessary. This is what he fights for in the senate every day.

What does Utah have to do with anything? I think that's an admission that you don't have enough constructive points to make to support your side.
 
#91
#91
You are out of touch if you think Rand Paul has the answers to international airport security. Seems to me I just stated a fact and you are taking umbrage because I was and am and will be right about this issue.

And, please lay out his plan for the security of all international airports in this country, if I am misguided and Rand Paul really does have it all figured out. I will gladly eat crow and apologize to you and him for my apparent ignorance if he or you can provide me with this new, ironclad policy.

I'll keep checking this thread for a few weeks to make sure I don't miss it.
 
#92
#92
You are out of touch if you think Rand Paul has the answers to international airport security. Seems to me I just stated a fact and you are taking umbrage because I was and am and will be right about this issue.

And, please lay out his plan for the security of all international airports in this country, if I am misguided and Rand Paul really does have it all figured out. I will gladly eat crow and apologize to you and him for my apparent ignorance if he or you can provide me with this new, ironclad policy.

I'll keep checking this thread for a few weeks to make sure I don't miss it.

One word: privatize

You are out of touch if you think the government has answers for anything.
 
#93
#93
He speaks out about all kinds of things of which he has no idea. That goes for most of the politicians in The House or White House or South Carolina debates. Rand Paul does not have any training in securing millions of people from possible terrorist infiltration in a chaotic setting like an sirport. He just does not. He sits in an office and finds ways to cut the federal government. That's what he does.
 
#94
#94
One word: privatize

You are out of touch if you think the government has answers for anything.

So, what does that mean? Do we have a group like Halliburton come in and take over security at every single airport in the country? What are the logistics of that?

Is this something that will be phased in over a series of steps from international, hub airports, and then slowly filter down to the smaller, regional strips, or do we start with the small and then go grand with the internationals?

Who in the private sector is currently in the business of securing airports that would have the experience necessary to implement a more fluid policy and oversee the transition from public to private?

Do we expect a conglomerate built on turning a profit to adequately secure and staff the terminals of every airport in America?

Are we even talking about every airport?

Lots of questions that are way, way out of my scope of understanding, I can tell you that. If you or Rand can help me with these and many, many more answers, I'll be happy to abide.

Those were just off the top of my head.
 
#95
#95
He speaks out about all kinds of things of which he has no idea. That goes for most of the politicians in The House or White House or South Carolina debates. Rand Paul does not have any training in securing millions of people from possible terrorist infiltration in a chaotic setting like an sirport. He just does not. He sits in an office and finds ways to cut the federal government. That's what he does.

Rand Paul does have facts, and the TSA has NEVER caught a terrorist.
 
#96
#96
So, what does that mean? Do we have a group like Halliburton come in and take over security at every single airport in the country? What are the logistics of that?

No. The airport can choose their own security. They have an incentive to balance safety and efficiency. The TSA doesn't really have an incentive to ensure either. They get more funding if they fail, so they don't necessarily want to catch terrorists. They get nothing if they are efficient, so that's why they aren't.

You have a lot of questions for somebody who doesn't question the TSA.
 
#97
#97
I have a lot of questions for the guys in the private sector who will be taking over the security of the airports of a vast and expansive country that has already been the target of a terrorist conspiracy involving airplanes flying out of international airports of which the guys in the private sector will taking over security.
 
#98
#98
I have a lot of questions for the guys in the private sector who will be taking over the security of the airports of a vast and expansive country that has already been the target of a terrorist conspiracy involving airplanes flying out of international airports of which the guys in the private sector will taking over security.

The TSA is 0 for their lifetime catching terrorists. You don't have questions for them?
 

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